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starts right now it's just wrong. >> the president of the united states drawing a red line in israel's war in gaza. >> that's tonight on good evening. >> i'm abby phillip in new york tonight. a cnn exclusive, joe biden, sending a message that will echo across the globe and rattle the normal order of things inside of the middle east, the commander in chief, making it admission& a promise. the admission that american military might has been used to kill civilians in gaza i know that you have paused, mr. president shipments of 2000 pound u.s. bombs to israel due to concern that they could be used in any offensive on raffa. have those bombs, those powerful 2000 pound bombs? been

used to kill civilians in gaza civilians have been killed in gaza is the consequences those bombs and other ways in which they go after population centers? and the promise that should israel flaunt a biden demand to stay out of rafah instead of just stepping on the hose that allows u.s. military aid to flow to israel. biden will turn off the tap altogether i made it clear that if they go into rafah, i haven't gotten rough yet if they go into rafah, i'm not applying the weapons that have been used historically deal with raffa, a deal with the city's, a deal with that problem? we're going to continue to make sure israel are secure in terms of iron dome and their ability to respond to attacks like came out who you least recently. but it's assist wrong. we're not going to we're not going to

supply the weapons. and artillery shells used that. i've been using. the president's handling of the israel-hamas war remains a thorn in his campaign. sayyed politically, but there is another persistent problem as stumbling block for the president as he heads into this november election. and that is obviously the economy. the president again tried to refocus the conversation, pivoting away from how americans might feel to how he believes that they should see the choice that they face this november he's never succeeded in creating jobs. and i've never failed. i've created are 15 million jobs. this is the president, 1500000033 and three quarters years and secondly microsoft is a serious player and they're very much engaged in making sure that they pick this area as sort of a the home-base for their ai initiative in the nation. and

they're gonna, they're gonna do it. and just like by the way well, i shouldn't go and but trump has he started off with the golden show shambles i want to start with former biden and obama adviser jay carney, jake good to see you looked tonight on the big news on in the middle east, biden says he's going to stop shipments of u.s. weapons to israel if netanyahu does go forward with this major operation in rafah, that is a pretty a given that typically, especially in times of war and conflict, that has not been the united states is response how significant is this threat from the president tonight? >> well abby thanks for having me. i think it's a very significant threat and it's a reflection of the fact that he has tried everything else. he's gotten on the phone with prime minister netanyahu. he's he's urged him control him

attempted to persuade him to desist from launching in a full-scale invasion of rafah. and given the early signs that they were preparing that israel was preparing to do just that. i think he clearly saw this as using the most significant leverage he has, which is two at least slow down the flow of weapons to israel from the united states. >> it's not completely unprecedented. president reagan and president george hw bush also put a hold on. the sale of weaponry to israel at different times in their administrations for different reasons. but it is a major step. >> yeah. >> look, this war in gaza has been one of the most politically challenging the issues. it has really divided the democratic party. >> but this is a major shift for president biden. >> i mean, he really resisted getting to this point it's it's a result of all this political pressure. i think you would agree. >> so does biden need to go

even further? >> i mean burning they sanders earlier tonight said this was great, but he wants to see more to do you think that the base is going to keep demanding more until he does even more on this issue. >> well, i think there will be people in the democratic party both elected officials and rank and file members who want to see more and want to see stronger assertion of our leverage against israel. but i don't think it's that for that reason that he's principally doing this. i thank he has long been a supporter of israel throughout his entire political career. one of the most stalwart in congress when he was in the senate and certainly when he was vice president. and he feels that the actions that the netanyahu government is taking right now are actually damaging to israel in the long run, hurting its relations fish and chips, not just with the united states, both the allies in europe and in the region. and i think he fears very much for israel's

future if those relationships are so seriously frayed that they lose allies in the future and that includes the united states not losing u.s. as an ally entirely. but if you harm that relationship to the point where we can no longer have any kind of persuasive power with with the prime minister. i think the risk becomes pretty profound in his mind and he comes at this from a place and i know from having worked for him where he deeply believes the united states must continue to support israel, but not in the circumstance like this and not unconditionally we were just playing his comments on the economy, which is really domestically the biggest issue for him in this election. >> but i noted there's a quinnipiac poll out today. it shows biden actually leading donald trump among registered voters in the state of wisconsin, a battleground state, 50%, planning to vote for him over the 44% for trump

this is a little different from what a lot of polls have shown. it's suggesting maybe things have stabilized for him. what do you think is happening here? what are they? the trends in your view showing about where this election is headed as we go into the summer well, i think two things. >> this is a state that has been incredibly close for a long time donald trump want by less than 1% in 2016 joe biden won by less than 1% in 2020 and it will probably be a low single digit race. an outcome in this cycle. so these polls really, as you know, abby, are measure the margins pretty narrowly, i think it is a positive sign though, and i think it's a sign that voters are beginning and to focus on the reality of the choice as opposed to the hope that there might be a different option, both in the democratic and the republican party that some members of those parties have felt. and i think that ultimately elections do tend to

be decided by economic factors, not just how voters feel. now, although that's very, very important, but how they'd feel, the candidate might do in the future. and there's you know, there's reason to believe and certainly evidenced that biden can point to that shows he has done a lot for workers in america for manufacturing in america. and i think the microsoft announcement today, and we're seeing was a big deal for that state, especially in contrast to what trump tried to do with foxconn and wisconsin and that failure. so i think it's a good day. it's one pole, but it's certainly a positive sign for the campaign. >> i'm sure i'm sure they'll take it one pole, one good call day-by-day, i think is really probably there. but in a really key bellwethers date. yeah, a very important to watch wisconsin closely for a reason. >> yeah. >> jay carney, great to see you. thank you for joining u.s.

tonight thank you. and president biden's trump visit to wisconsin today wasn't just about his own record on jobs and the economy was also about how it compares to donald trump's listen he's never succeeded in creating jobs. >> and i've never failed i've created over 15 million jobs. this is of a president 15 million and three quarters years i. >> want to now bring in former republican congressman ken buck congressman buck. that's a pretty bold talk on the economy from the president. some of its political, but generally, he's pointing to a true trend. he has created more. jobs than trump isn't that something that you think voters ought to factor in as they go into november's election well, i don't think there's any doubt that president trump had a stronger economy pre-covid, then president biden has now even the cnn website talks

about how that statement by president biden is misleading because he's comparing his job creation coming out of covid with president trump's job creation or lack of job creation job losses during covid so it is a misleading statement and i think what would voters are going to decide on are the very pocketbook issues when they go to the grocery store, when they go to the gas station are they better off now than they were four-and-a-half years ago? yeah. and i want to get to that, but on the visit to wisconsin today, one of the big reasons that he was there was to create this contrast. i mean, trump did promise some 13,000 jobs at a foxconn plant there that never for materialize. that too, is something that they're going to be reminding voters of as well why are voter supposed to believe at anything different might happen in a second trump term compared to what he promised and failed to deliver when he actually was president

well, i think what voters see right now are a lot of people coming across the border that are taking jobs and lowering wages in america. >> they're seeing who is not taking on china for intellectual property that china's steels are not taking on. china for the trade violations to try to engage he so i think those are issues that voters will look at when they look at these two candidates i want to go to what is happening on the hill tonight in congress, the speaker was facing another threat to his speakership. >> he survived dead, but congresswoman marjorie taylor greene putting up that resolution, what do you make of her willingness to do that despite speaker johnson spending quite a lot of time trying to talk to her trying to work with her some of your colleagues said they were surprised. were you surprised i wasn't surprised at all. >> i think she had boxed herself and she's been talking

about filing this motion to vacate for so long that she had to come through and file it it was a huge victory for speaker johnson. he received a lot of support from the minority party. you see you see a lot of support from his own party, and i think it was clear that the job he's done and keeping government open and the job that he did, and making sure that the ukraine funding bill passed were appreciated by folks in congress. i think marjorie represents a very small, very small, marginalized highest fraction in faction. i'm sorry, in congress. >> so notably former president trump sent out a message on truth, social urging to kill the motion to vacate. but he did it after the vote had already happened, so he weighed in when it didn't really matter at all but but here's the important point. >> he says, not at this time. he really left an open door to

this happening. again, and marjorie taylor greene took that to mean, i'm going to try it again. she she essentially said that tonight is president trump in your mind playing a constructive role here in the republican i can conference as they are dealing with all of this internal turmoil i think president trump is distracted right now, and i'm sure he is trying to maintain his presence on social media and the campaign trail. >> but the reality is that mike johnson isn't a very strong position as a result of what morning? marjorie did. i think that marjorie taylor greene helped my johnson with this move because he now can point to a very successful vote to keep him an office. i don't think that president trump influences most members of congress in an issue like this. >> anymore, because there was a time when he did well, when he's president, he certainly can go out and campaign and raise funds for candidates

right now, if folks are worried about their primaries to focused on the general election in their own district. and most republican members in the house outperformed president trump and their own district so there is, very little coattails effect president trump on the republican side in american former congressman ken buck. thank you very much for joining u.s. appreciate it. >> and up next trump's legal team, getting yet another court delay this time in the state of georgia, we're going to discuss all of that with our legal experts plus hi school students and their families are now in the lurch unsure if they're gonna be able to afford college thanks to a botched rollout of a key financial aid form will have enough date on that. >> and the new york times reports that rfk jr. battled a brain eating worm what that means for his health. >> you're watching this is the playoffs what do you see? my

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ultimately was donald trump's plan, it seems like it's working. >> the former president's attorneys have delivered the former president with yet another when this time it's in the state of georgia where an appeals court agreed to hear arguments that may obliterate any hope that he got those into trial in that jurisdiction this year here to help u.s. understand all the crisscrossing trump cases. former new york assistant attorney general, adam and cnn legal analyst, norm eisen in this georgia case, they're taking up the issue of whether or not fani willis has to be taken off the case, essentially because of a conflicts that she has. the appeals courts as they're going to take it up, was that the right decision you think? >> i think the decision in the first place to appoint somebody as a special prosecutor who she had a relationship was a mistake it was a mistake. it was an own goal, shouldn't have happened. here we are and it doesn't affect the case at all, but it really affects the optics of the case. it seems to me, it's not surprising that

the appellate court is taking it up and we'll stall out the case even more. >> if they do rule that she has to be taken off of it or even just with the burden of all of this hanging over the case, is it even possible for someone else to take this case to trial? i mean, does it have to be fani willis at this point? >> it would be very challenging. abby at this point in the case to hand it off to another prosecutor, you could find someone in georgia to do it. but remember, all we have now is a clear lack of illegal conflict for funding. will is she's very likely going to win this battle the appellate court has said they're going to look at it, but there's no stay in place. so you can continue moving think the case forward. it's daunting to think about launching this case against a former president. i think it's unlikely to go in 2024, but it's not 100% foreclose, so we need to let it unfold. this much is for sure i agree with

adam. the relationship was far from smart. it was the right call for wade to go. but there really is no basis for her to be conflicted out of the case. and so the appellate court may say no, we're not staying things and they can continue to move forward, but still three out of the four cases now i really in a place of almost standstill it really suggests that none of those cases, except for the one that we are currently living through, is going to get to the finish line or even close to it by election day. that the reality that people need to have sink in right now absolutely the reality these cases are not going to move forward but the georgia case is not moving forward. >> the florida case is not moving forward the dc case has not moved forward. none of those cases are going to happen, i believe before the election da rags case here in new york is the only case moving forward this year. >> justice delayed justice denied i mean, for even for trump. i mean, he will have

this hanging over his head. i think this is ultimately a pr win for him. he wants to just not have verdicts. but this is going to be now hanging over the entire country. for god knows how long. >> two things. >> first, it places even more importance on the 2016 case which prosecutors allege is an election interference case. they claim this same pattern of voter deception federal two granit, the 2016 case here in new york, the prosecutors say money trial. prosecutors say it's deceiving voters to grasp hour and cover it up. similar pattern to the 2020 election interference. it makes this case more important. i've been there in court every day as you know, prosecutors are not arguing this as a hush money case. they're not not arguing it even primarily as a documents case. they're saying what were those false documents covering up? campaign and election conspiracies. this was

an assault on our democracy. i'm watching the jury. it puts the jury on the edge of their seats. so this case becomes even more important as a function of delay. and i wouldn't write off the supreme court if they apply the same schedule that they've applied to other important democracy cases. watch the date may 20. that's the amount of time in the 14th amendment case from argument to decision. it's in their hands. this case could still move if the supreme court tree so like they do other important cases, if they slow role than they are in that delay that you're so right, hangs over the country and calls into question whether a wealthy and powerful defendant can stall justice. >> it also calls into question whether the judicial system is operating the way it ought to be in this really critical moment. i mean, the american people deserve answers and they're not going to get them in a lot of cases i think

that's right. >> and unfortunately, these cases have reached a trial or near the trial in an election year. the reality i think is that complicated complex kremlin when all trials take time and are hard to rush into a cycle that's driven by the election. this is the reality and trump is taking full advantage of that in trying to stall and delay at every turn he can much like any other criminal defendant would. but of course much more is at stake here. yeah. i mean, anytime you're dealing with a former president, it seems you're getting into complex territory that the courts have to sort out really for the first time, adam, a norm, you guys are going to stand by for u.s. we have more stormy daniels. we'll be back on the witness stand tomorrow in that hush money trial. we'll discuss what to expect how she takes the stand. once again the whole myth has to be re-imagined. feed if you didn't know whether you were next they were both tied up?

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and the prosecution will have an opportunity perhaps, to address some of what legal observers called a glaring miscalculation in their presentation of evidence and what they allowed her to say on the stand yesterday my? panel is back with me so norm, what we're hearing is that the defense had initially planned to not spend too much time on stormy and they've changed their mind they thought yesterday went really well for them. is that a miscalculation on their part i think it is a miscalculation i believe that part of what goes into that is the former president was visibly angry he was chastised by the judge for speaking in tones that the jury could hear it just stipulating and he may have instructed his attorneys and abby it's not always good

lawyering to badger a witness. >> they've scored the points that they need that she has a financial motivation that she has not been fully forthcoming are honest about this. in the past, that she hates trump. they made those points. they don't need to make them again and again and again with her and they risk alienating the jury. i thought she would was very we talked about this yesterday. i thought she was very good on cross, better than on direct. she stands up for self. she threw out or script. people could see her real personality, shorter answers, crispr where she was much better. so that they may just be making their own situation worse if in fact the former president has said hammer her but maybe the calculation is also that maybe she was stronger in terms of how she came across, but what she had to say, the most notable of which was that she hates trump. >> she wants to see him in jail they think perhaps that there's more they can get out

of her on that. what do you think? >> i think that they think she's biased. she has a bias wetness. she wants to see him in jail. she doesn't like there you want to take that and 100 other places where they're going to say her story has changed or look, try to show that her story has changed, that she is an inconsistent witness. and at the end of the trial will try to lighten up a sort of a cast of not so nice characters, a little bit sleazy characters and say that they're all problematic witnesses. they can't be trusted. so i think she's just one in a row of witnesses that the defense is trying to paint excuse me, paint as problematic. >> she is the first course because what's coming after we all know is michael cohen and if we think that this was dramatic and there was a lot going on with stormy daniels i have, a feeling it's going to be a lot worse with michael cohen. do you expect to see both the defense and the prosecution when it comes to michael cohen learning some lessons from how stormy daniels went.

>> i do. i think you'll see a more crisp presentation by the prosecution we're really were not as tight as they needed to be on that direct examination. it improved over time and the defense is going to come after michael hammer and tongs. he was my first witness when i investigated these identical alligator patients for the first impeachment of trump, i spent days with him his story has never varied from that first time i talked to him about these issues at the beginning of 2019 expectations are low. i think he will like before a presidential debate when both sides want there expectations to be low for their candidate, i think he will exceed expectations. he's genuinely remorseful, but that is going to be a very historic cross that is going to be cross-examination for the ages. and what i think is shaping up

as the trial of the century. >> i mean, it will, it might be the very one trial that we have this year. sure and michael cohen is the star witness. he is somebody who has been proven to be a liar, convicted of that. he has a clear vendetta. he has a book called revenge. it's about trump. but he is the guy who has to connect these dots, have prosecutors left a lot for him to do on the witness stand? in your view or is it just enough that you think he can land the plane there's one final fact that prosecutors need to get from michael cohen, which has trump knew what these payments were four and knew that he was falsely recording them or directing them to be falsely recorded. >> that's a key fact and that hasn't really come out yet. the fact of the scheme has come out, but trump's true involvement in making these false records hasn't completely come out. trump is likely knocking testify. so who's left to testify that it's michael cohen. can testify about trump's knowledge and he's not a great witness

for all the reasons that you just mentioned. >> norm since you i have spoken to him in this kind of context, not in a court, but in an interview. i don't know if you'd call it a deposition before the january 6 or before the impeachment investigators he is also technically an attorney. do you think he has the ability to have the kind of discipline that prosecutors might need from him to really get to all of the things that he needs to get to without going too far in the civil fraud case that adams former office new york ag, abroad against donald trump. judge, in goren wrote in his final judgment, michael cohen told the truth. there were some bumpy spots in that testimony, just like with stormy daniels, just like with keith davidson, even hope hicks who testified in this trial, who's a communications professional, had rough spots in her testimony, the same with

pecker. he had the fewest he was very well-prepared to testify i think that michael cohen has the ability to come across to this jury as a truth teller. it's gonna be a tough cross no question. yes. i think he has the intelligence, the discipline and he's genuinely remorseful. >> look prosecutors have to make cases when there's a conspiracy with former participants in the conspiracy michael is better situated then the cooperators in some of my cases because he's not working off any jail time. >> there's one less vector of attack on him. so i think he's going to exceed expectations. >> all right. we will find out adam, a norm. thank you both very much. the tonight the new york times reports that independent presidential candidate rfk jr. experienced multiple previously unknown health issues, including damage from believe it or not, a worm in his brain we will discuss that next sunday on the whole

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worms and still be president and president biden in a debate and i feel confident of the result, even with a six worm handicap joining me on all of this republican strategist, joe pinion, cnn contributors natasha alford and leah wright rigueur what a thing to joke about weird, but just his campaign spokesman also says there's questioning mr. kennedy's health is a hilarious suggestion given his competition but this is a really serious thing. i mean, it's not just the worm. i mean, there's atrial fibrillation. fibrillation that was disclosed in the store. i should even say disclosed revealed in the story. there's apparently some stuff here about his health and he is not talking about yeah i mean i think as somebody who i have chronic health issues, i try not to be judgmental of others about things that they can not control. but the truth is, this is a presidential election. and so the level of scrutiny is going to be much higher. we've seen with some candidates. it

works in their favor of john fetterman people when they saw him being a attacked over his health, they actually rallied around him, hillary clinton, she couldn't even get a stumble out after pneumonia without people jumping all over it. i think at the end of the de it comes down to the candidate, how invested are people in this candidate? what do they, what do they get excited about in terms of this candidate? and he's a very odd candidate. someone who i think people are actually projecting their hopes on to him rather than being able to articulate what about him and so special, he's also making his candidacy about how he's so much healthier than the other guys running right? >> and the other thing i think it's worth pointing out, which is it's not just the heart condition, it's not just the parasitic worm and brain. it's also the side effects that his physician talked about including brain fog, which he said he'd had for not just several months, but over a year in an area where we are scrutinizing and we're paying heavy attention to things like joe biden's age, his health. we're thinking about trump's weight in his fast food habit and perhaps lack of exercise.

all of these things are on the chopping block. they are under everyone is under the same amount of scrutiny. so it does matter. so the idea that he could laugh it off and run his campaign as the healthy wine all of that goes up in the air and i think it does matter to because what we've seen from polling is that kennedy actually does have an effect on the race. he does his candidacy does actually no matter. yeah. i mean, to that very point, quinnipiac pull out today is pretty good for joe biden. he's winning except when you add in all the other candidates, like robert f. kennedy jr. he's a 12th percent when you add in the third party folks and that brings the race essentially to a tie. trump has been really concerned increasingly about rfk jr. but both of these candidates ought to be concerned. it seems well, look, i think first and foremost, everyone has the right to run for president. i don't believe this election will be decided by a worm on the brain. it will be decided by whether people feel secure about the southern border, whether the economy,

actually works for hardworking americans since you are still dealing with the inflation that was supposed to be transitory and now has been stubbornly persistent. so yes, i think you look at those people running for president, you look at somebody like cornel west, who was run out the democratic party. somebody like rfk, who was run out of the democratic party because they circled the wagons around joe biden even though there were deep concerns among so many died in the war, democrats about his ability to seek a second term. so, yes, i think this is going to be a close election. it was 78,000 votes back in 2016 that determined the outcome for president trump in his favor, it was close to 48,020, 20 anyone who was telling you this election is going to be a blowout is probably getting paid to tell you you so but i think again, coming down the line here, everyday americans are swing voters will decide and the health unfortunately, because of the health issues across the board, i do not believe will be the deciding factor and just reacting to that, the margin of error is very small. you already have uncommitted voters who are saying that for political

reasons they won't vote then you just have people who aren't inspired, who don't feel like it's worth it to come out at all. so every sort of messaging attempt will really matter and i thought it was fascinating this poll that says donald trump's actually getting credit for infrastructure accomplishments that joe biden actually accomplished, right? so there is a need for better messaging here. and rfk his effect on this campaign, or rather this election. it can make the difference unless joe biden intervenes and makes it clear what his differences. but i also and i also want to add on to i think natasha is point that we do have to be careful in terms of thinking about like, what is the role that third party candidates play? >> so historically, third-party candidates haven't had that much of an effect on elections except for the points where they have had a significant amount or they're not important are important, they are often it's retroactive, right? we can look back, we can go and look back and say, wait, these people actually did have an impact. now it may not have

been the way to joe's point, a spectacular blow out, right? these people are not a third-party candidate, is not going to win the race. but what they can do is take away strategic votes and strategic places that may cast or maybe decisive ballot, access issue for rfk juniors hugely, hugely. i mean, i would say respectfully, we talk about these votes often, i think all of u.s. >> collectively, when i say that, as if the votes belong to republican party or they belong to democratic party, if they belong to joe biden, who they belong to donald trump, they do not. they belong to the people. if you're having difficulty getting people to understand why they should support your candidate it's probably because you haven't learned from history. i mean, van jones famously wrote in his book about the fact that people who were basically on the front lines of barack obama had no idea where the campaign office was for hillary clinton in 2016 in michigan. so issue by issue, you have a biden administration that refuse to even acknowledge that mistakes were ever made on their watch. a trump

administration, that whether you hate him or love him can point to 7 million jobs pre-covid and say things were better when we were there. so that's where the election will be pitched. and i think that pretending that oh, don't vote for this person because they're going to be a spoiler is exactly why so many people are turning to them in the first case, nobody owns any votes there. >> they have to be earned out there. everyone. thank you very much for all of that. coming up many high schools students are still waiting to see if they can afford. their dream college after the botched rollout of the new financial aid form will have an update on what parents can thanks. fact, next moscow pistorius was at the absolute peak of his celebrity in olympic heroes, xhaka murder trial, we learned of a much darker individual. >> how would really happen with jesse l. martin sunday at nine months? cn with armor all a little bit of this protects you from a lot of that horner or

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>> well, abby, you know, it depends on who you talk to the education departments framing on this is positive. they're saying that the agency has come a long way. hey, and they've read a lot of progress, but the 10,000 foot view on this is some high schools seniors are still feeling the impact from the agency's bungled rolled out of this new simplified version of what has been historically burden some financial aid application known as fasfa. now students typically receive financial aid award words letters from schools in march and they commit to a college by may 1st. and here we are may 8. >> and some students still have not received financially packages to determine whether they can afford to go to a specific school and some students are deciding to essentially make a decision without knowing whether they will get financial aid or not because they've losing their slot but as you mentioned that the top there are students who remain in limbo. >> they're unable to finalize their higher education plans for the fall education secretary miguel cardona was on

capitol hill yesterday. he was answering some tough questions from lawmakers on this, and he had this message for students and parents let's take a listen even the better. >> fafsa, which is frustrating and it's challenging as it has been delays and i apologize to the students and families that have had to deal with delays. i know how frustrating that is. >> this is all intended to fix a system that for too long have kept people out while he told lawmakers that the agency has caught up on processing applications, and he says that new applications are being processed in one to three days. addie, you, so he's saying that this is supposed to fix a problem, but what is the data show u.s. >> about the impact this has already had on the utilization of this really important tool yeah. so i mean, we are seeing data from a couple of sources there is real concern that the technical glitches& the delays with this year's fafsa application will ultimately impact the number of students

who will enroll in college this fall. now, the national college attainment network, which is a non-profit that has been tracking application submissions. they tell cnn that as of the end of april, application submissions have gone down nearly 25% and the department of education tells cnn, its data shows a smaller pine down 16%. but either way, this represents a decline in the number of students applying for financial aid and the worry is that some students may forgo college altogether when you really drill down on the data that drop in application submissions is not the same across the board. there's been a bigger decline among low-income students according to to the national college attainment network. wow that's a really, really troubling fact to hear from you, renee. >> thank you very much for staying on top of this and for joining u.s. tonight. >> sure. >> thank you for watching news site laura coates lives starts after this when the genes came out, i thought, oh, my god,

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