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exclusive interview with the president of the united states on his big bet on ai is warning to israel about american aid and what he promises trump will do if trump loses. >> plus stormy daniels headed back to the stand, trump's lawyers promising they have, quote, a while to go before they're done questioning her. and robert f. kennedy, jr. with a shocking announcement, he says a worm, a part of his brain causing memory loss. >> i talk to the man who runs one of the world's largest parasite collections about this bizarre but compelling story. >> let's go out front and good evening and welcome to special edition of outfront. >> i'm erin burnett tonight live from milwaukee with an exclusive interview with the president of the united states. in an extensive one-on-one, we talked about the war in gaza. and for the first time in his most uncertain terms, the president of the united states lays out conditions on american aid to israel, connecting it directly to what is happening in rafah right now, we also talked about his rematch with

trump, biden telling me, quote, i promise you, he won't. when he talks about trump accepting the outcome of the upcoming election. and we talked about the number one issue for voters, and that is the economy it's why we're here in milwaukee. the must-win state of wisconsin and president biden today announcing microsoft's 3.3 billion dollar plan to build a new ai data center here it's 100,000 potential new jobs, jobs, the biden administration wants to tout on the exact same land where trump weighed one of his biggest jobs, announcements of his presidency those jobs did not pan out. and now biden tonight is saying he can do what trump failed to do. here's our exclusive interview with the president of the united states mr. president, thank you so much for being with me. >> so trump attended a groundbreaking here where we are for foxconn he promised 13,000 jobs and only about 1,000 of those actually exist,

right now. so i know you're promising more than 2000 union construction jobs and that 100,000 people are going to get trained in ai. here why should people here believe that you will succeed at creating jobs where trump failed? >> he's never succeeded in creating jobs. and i've never failed i've created over 15 million jobs. this is of a president 15 million and three quarters years and secondly, microsoft is a serious player and they're very much engaged and making sure they pick this area as sort of a the home-base for their ai initiative. in the nation. and they're gonna, they're gonna do it. and it's just like i'm by the way. well, i shouldn't go and but trump has he started off with the golden shows shovels the groundbreaking briefing and talked about this been the eighth wonder in the world.

what does he ever done? >> anything he said i'm not being facetious. think about it. >> he started off, he lost other than herbert hoover is the only other president, lost more jobs and create it as four-year term. he's the way he managed and his last year when we deal with covid, men and people die, he tell people inject bleach that may, that may do it. wasn't a real problem when he did an interview one of your colleagues or you just flat out acknowledged too hot dangerous what to be in want to speak to it it's i just look at what he says. he's going to do if he gets elected he says gonna do away with what i've done on medicare, reducing the price of medicare, addressing so he's gonna do away with affordable care act. said it's going to do just down the line so we have a very different view. i look at it from physician not being facetious from the scram

perspective, he looks for mar-a-lago perspective he wants to give more significant tax cuts and the super wealthy. now we got 1,000 billionaires in america know what the average federal taxes 8.3% it talks about it. if i want to raise it to 25%, that would raise i would raise 40 billion for $400 billion over ten years i can further reduce deaths in which i've been able to reduce me. it's just a completely different perspective on how we should proceed. >> when it comes though to the 100,000 jobs specifically that we're talking about here, people training an ai, the actual jobs when are they actually going to have jobs as 100,000 people that are being trained beginning probably the first trash and three to four years the community colleges are going to the one where we're at we're going to provide four 2000 folks and to be able to be trained 200 a year and it's kinda go the

whole pipeline goes all the way through out to high schools and training facilities and it used to be that when when i was in high school i mean, even at the tail end, very tail end do for you, i die school we most public high schools had shopping, home my work with your hands doesn't exist anymore. and so it allows people who have skills and be able to train to technical skills, to be able to make a decent living without a college degree and it's what we need. >> so when we talk about the bet on ai and sort of what it means i don't know if you saw this weekend warren buffett had his annual meeting and he talked about ai. >> so the first thing he said was, okay, it's got an enormous potential for good. but then he likened it to the development of nuclear weapons. >> in the u.s. and he said it scares the hell out of him. >> you know, he always says it

like he sees it. >> and then he says, quote, he doesn't understand a thing about it. that may capture how many americans feel. >> does ai scare you i had a norris potential enormous downside potential that's why three years ago i got together the major architects of ai, the different operations around the world. >> i met with them in europe and here in the united states and arranges all the way from one of the leaders saying is real, it's going to take over human thinking all the way to folks say no, it's not a problem. and so that's why i set out certain standards that it has can do no harm. we have to make sure we know how to do that. we have to make sure it's controlled. and that's how that's how we how it is most significant. i think technological development in human history, the most significant human history, yeah, and not in terms of war and peace, but in terms of

being able to one liter and the ai community said to me, is going to overtake human thinking and which is frightening, terrifying but the other most think it can be used very thing from find cures for cancer two significantly increased productivity. >> so when you talk about the economy, of course, it is by far the most important issue for voters. >> it's also true right now, mr. president, that voters by a wide margin, trust it's trump more on the economy. >> they say that in polls and part of the reason for that, maybe the numbers and you're aware of many of these, of course, the cost of buying a home in the united states is double what it was when you look at your monthly costs from before the pandemic, real income when you account for inflation is actually down since you took office, economic growth last week, far short of expectations, consumer confidence, maybe no surprise, is near a two-year low with less than six months to go to election day are you worried

that you're running out of time to turn that around? >> we've already turned it around. look look at the the michigan survey for 65% american people. think they're in good shape economically, i think the nation's not a good shape. personally good shape. >> the polling data has been wrong all along you, how many you guys do a poll? cnn how many pokes you have to call to get one response? the idea that we're in a situation where things are so bad. i mean, we've created more jobs. we've made we're in a situation where people have access to good paying jobs and blast, i saw a combination of the inflation the cost of inflation, all things that's really worrisome to people with good reason. that's why i'm working very hard to bring the cost of reynolds down to increase the number of homes that are available one of, them but let me, say it this way when i started administration, people were saying are going to

be a collapsing the economy. we have the strongest economy in the world let me say it in the world, although gdp last week was far short of expectations, oh, wasn't looked vdp still grow? look at the response of the markets overwhelmingly positive were while millie positive and one of the reasons why people feel good about it, not being as strong as it was before is they believe that the fed is going to respond. >> they hope they're gonna get a rate cut. yeah. >> so what i mean, no president has had the run. we've had in terms of creating jobs and any down inflation was 9% when i can office, 9%. but it looked, people have a right to be concerned ordinary people. the idea that your bonds a check and you get $130 fee for bots and the check. i change that i can't. charge more than eight bucks or your credit card. you don't you're a late payment. $35. i mean, there's corporate greed going on up there. and it's got to be dealt with what

about but there's real pain. i mean, grocery prices are up 30% more than 30% since the beginning of the pandemic. and people are spending warren food and groceries and they have at any time really in the past 30 years that's a real day-to-day pain that people know really is. & as real but the fact is that if you take a look at what the men people have, they had the money to spend as angers them and angers me that you have to spend more for example, the whole idea of this notion of senator casey talk about shrinkflation yeah, i think you're always on your full price for smaller bottle of juice samples, stickers more they did a thing that's like 20% less for the same price. that's corporate greed as corporate greed. and we've got to deal with it and that's when i'm working on i wanted to ask you about something happening as we sit here and speak get that of course is israeli striking raffa. i know that you

have paused mr. president shipments of 2000 pound u.s. >> bombs to israel due to concern that they could be used in any offensive on raffa up have those bombs, those powerful 2000 pound bombs, been used to kill civilians in gaza civilians have been killed in gaza is a consequences, those bombs and other ways in which they go after population centers. >> i made it clear that if they go into rafah, i haven't gotten rough er yet. they go into rafah. i'm not applying the weapons that have been used historically deal with rafah a deal with the cities that deal with that problem we're going to continue to make sure as you're less secure in terms of iron dome and their ability to respond to attacks like mld least recently. but it's assist wrong. we're not gonna, we're not gonna supply the weapons and artillery shells you i've been using shells as

well. yeah. i told my shelf. >> so just to understand what they're doing right now and raffa is that not going into rafah as you don't they haven't gotten in the population centers what they did is right on the border and it's causing problems with right now in terms of egypt, which i've worked for you hard to make sure we have a relationship. >> and help but i've made it clear to bbn, the war cabinet you're not going to get our support. if in fact they're gone, these population centers we're not walking away from israel security rockaway, israel's ability to wage war in those areas. >> so it's not over your red line yet not yet, but it's we've we've held up the weapons. >> we've had we've held up that one shipment as an all shipments design. we hold that up i want to ask you one more thing. if i may. >> the images that people see out of gaza, a horrific the

un's talking about some of these mass graves and the summary executions that there's been evidence of torture. the images of children it breaks anyone's harb to look at it. >> and obviously we've seen that frustration here in the u.s. >> on college campuses. mr. president signs at college campuses some say genocide, joe any of u.s. have gone to those campuses. sometimes we hear that can do you hear the message of those young americans? >> absolutely hear the message. look too. thanks first of all there's a legitimate right to free speech and protest there's a legitimate right to do that. they have a right to do that there's not elizabeth liz, legitimate right to use hate speech. there's not a legit. legitimate right to threaten jewish students is not legitimate right to block people access to class. that's against the law. it's against the law is so if you look at

the data this these demonstrations are real, but they're not nearly i mean, look, everybody is, i made a speech on the holocaust day and i pointed out that it took seven decades to get to the place where after the holocaust occurred& are still antisemitism look, what's happened in seven weeks, seven, 70 i mean, what's happening? everybody's sort of forgotten about what happened in israel. those 1,200 young kids murdered so pictures. now, i went over there. they after a mother daughter being roped together and then kerosene prime burned to death. nothing like that to happen. the jewish community, since the holocaust so when i, when i went over immediately after that happened, i said the bibi don't make the same mistake we made america we want to get bin laden and will help

you get some more but we went into afghanistan to we owed made sense to go get but mod made no sense to try to unify afghanistan made no sense in my view to engage in thinking that in iraq they have a nuclear weapon. don't make the same mistake. focus, i'm will help you focus on getting the bad guys but and we've got to think through what is happening after gaza. after this is over. who, who's going to occupy gaza i've been working with arab states. i won't match them if they want to get them in trouble. but five liters in the community we're prepared to help rebuild gaza, prepared to help transition to a two-state solution to government well, to maintain the security and peace while they're working out of palestinian authority, it's real and not corrupt mr. president. >> thank you very much. i

appreciate your time today thank you next, we have more of our exclusive conversation with the president of the united states. he tells me what advice former president obama is giving him right? now on the campaign. and you're going to want to hear all of what he had to say about trump right now and you may not accept the outcome of the election i promise you he won't promise it won't so which is dangerous plus trump's legal team shifting strategies as stormy daniels is about to return to the stand and just hours we are now learning, they plan to spend a lot more time cross-examining the adult film star will that backfire on them? and rfk jr. sang a worm and eaten part of his brain and then died causing memory loss a parasite expert will be out for thank could be store is was the

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breaking news. >> i promise you he won't. those are the words of president biden telling me in our exclusive interview that he believes trump will not accept the election results here's more of our conversation so obviously we're here in wisconsin. >> it was a crucial state for you. one of the ones that put you over the top. it was the same for term when he won in 2016 and he was actually here last week on his day off from stormy daniels trial he told the milwaukee journal sentinel, mr. president if everything's honest, i'll gladly accept the results. in this election. and then he continued though with this. if it's not, you have to fight for the right of the country how seriously do you take that brett i'm sure it's just like i did september. >> i mean, january the guy is not a democrat with a small d mean he is the idea, but you can only love your country and when you went number one how

many court cases? supreme court cases. they all said this is totally legitimate election this is, this is true i mean, it's same whether he may not accept the outcome of the election i promise you, if you want promise it won't be. so, which is dangerous? look, i travel around the world and other world leaders note that all say, not a joke 80% of you have a major media ago got to win mike democracy okay, there democracy to stay because we think of the things he's saying. >> the same if i'm reelected if he's reelected, the president, he's not going to make sure his attorney general prosecutes those. he tells him prosecutor, and be done is on the first, not just for, you know, he said this about prosecution across the board. he's going to be i am your

retribution. what person is ever seen anything like this what he means it going to wipe out the change we made a medicare change we made in terms of drug prices changed remain, wipe it all out. and then he's going to put it or not 10% tax, which is going to increase everybody's cost average married brush, 1,500 bucks a year listen to what he's saying so when you look at your campaign at this moment it's tight it's a brock obama, your predecessor of course, he has said that this is an all hands on deck moment. we describe it. >> so he believes your rematch with trump is going to be incredibly close. it certainly looks like it will be what's this advice to you? when we talk to keep doing i'm doing, make sure what his advice is in the chamber by 600 to get you vice president well, you've

gotten contributed on ever happened before, 70, 97% less than 200 bucks we've open 100 headquarters across the country. he's non. >> we have 5,000 page staff were doing a block and tackling. >> we're going out and making sure that we knock on doors, get folks out. the old-fashioned way. that's basically because it's all and we have raised more money than any president has to this point. and we campaign. and so i think i'm feeling good about the trajectory of the campaign. and and you know, as well as sayyed, you, most people don't really focus and makeup the minds of a fall there's a lot going on we will see what happens mr. president. >> thank you very much for your time thank you the panel is with me now david, let's just

start with we just heard president biden say about trump. >> yeah. >> he said that i promise you. he cannot accept the results of the election. obviously, presumably if he loses, i promise you, and he's dangerous. very explicit on that. >> yeah. and look, i think past is prologue on this, right? >> i mean, with trump, either he wins or the election stolen. there's no possibility of another result, and we saw that evidence itself in the insurrection even when he won in 2000, remember in 2016, he put a commission together because he was incensed that he had lost the popular vote by 3 million and suggested that that vote was stolen. they couldn't find any stolen votes than either. but i think i've thank you. it's right. and i think it is dangerous because the stakes for donald trump now are higher if he loses this election, he still facing trial. i think this is a very, very legitimate concern.

>> mj, the president, did make major news on israel in several. places saying that yes, u.s. bombs had been used to kill civilians and saying that that he's had enough. we're walking away from israel's ability to wage war in these population centers, artillery shells, the offensive weapons this is new it's new. this is the president articulating for the first time what exactly the consequences would be if israel were to cross his red line. and remember that red line line is if israel actually goes into rafah, the heavily populated areas of rafah, which so far the us assesses. israel hasn't done yet that is the us policy that we are now hearing straight from the president's mouth and aaron, i was thinking about just the timing of this interview and the fact that you've got to ask him these questions about it israel and raffa this moment, because if you look back on the last week u.s. officials and white house officials made really clear

that the decision to pause the arms shipment was an incredibly sensitive one. they would not even confirm to reporters that pods had happened, let alone elaborate on the reason. and now i said suspect when going forward, white house officials are asked about this, they're going to point to these words from the president as the new u.s. policy. and jeff, that was a significant move from a him to say, i've spoken to bb, i've told the war cabinet, essentially enough is enough are the words he said. >> it is wrong. >> it certainly wasn't. if you look at the trajectory of his remarks since october 7, he's certainly has not moved nearly as much as his progressive base would like him to as he hears the protests on college campuses, he sees the genocide. joe signs as he travels around from event to event. yeah. so he has not done nearly enough to abate the protests, but he has moved considerably from where his history would suggest that he would have he was locked arm in arm, a literal a hug with a with a netanyahu when he was there right after

that. so this is different than that. what goes forward i think is the open question. he opened the door today, but i think is very significant. we'll see what happens in the coming days and you shake your head, scott, because those who of course want the full is full support of which there are many in the democratic party this is not what they wanted to hear, just the other day he was saying our relationship with israel is ironclad& today he's essentially throwing up his hands, spooked, i guess by these college protests and saying, well, we're going to not supply weapons because we're going to try to micromanage this. i want to hear the president united states unequivocally state and understand who the enemy and who the real cause of all this is. but he did. they're killing civilians using american weapon, uses civilians as human shields. >> it's a mosque, israel and the united states are not the problem here. hamas is the problem, and israel cannot have peace and security until hamas is defeated and he is shack link our ally i by micro managing this and by the way, less bombs means more fighting

on the ground. and that means more data. israeli soldiers, that's the policies. >> so let me just say this and i say this as the son of a jewish refugee, i feel very strongly about israel. i was devastated by what happened on october 7, that, doesn't prevent me from feeling solicitude for this starving children of gaza and civilians who are collateral damage. in this war and so i accept the political calculus i've lived in this world all my life. it's also true that i think the president feels solicitude good for these people. i don't think it's just the students protesting. he's been talking about this for months as for standing with israel, he went on tom's float in from when the drones and missiles flute float in from iran, it was the united states who shot them down. he has provided most most of the weaponry that is being used, right now by the

israelis. he's and he did as was point as he pointed out, he he he went and yes, he hugged netanyahu& on that very day, he told them, don't make the mistake we made. don't pursue any talked about that today, republicans in congress are going to be livid about this issue, right? i think they have a good issue. what can i get it? i think they they think that the president, the united states, they're just politicians trying to take it appears that you have a situation. no, i think i think they support our ally he but he doesn't they're going to recall a time when we impeached the president united states for withholding military aid authorized by congress from ukraine $400 that was the basis of the impeachment this is congressionally authorized military aid to our ally and he is withholding it for political reasons. >> wade, what second. >> i'm sorry, it's your show the basis of that impeachment was that the president, the united states, called the president of ukraine, and he said, i need, i want you to do me a favor and open

investigation on the person who i think maybe my opponent in the next election that was the basis. >> he wants israel to stand down on rafah because his base is mad at them. what i mean, it's a political reasons. scott, the analogy just doesn't hold up. >> can i mj on this though, is it why he chose to say this today it makes such a significant statement. what is the motivation for it at this moment? >> first of all, can i say i think i know that one of the big headlines was the news he made about the consequences for israel. but weapons withholding and all of that. i think the moment where you asked him have people gaza die because of goods bonds, those bonds referring to the box of the us is applied to israel. >> and he answered, civilians have been killed in gaza as a consequence of those bonds, i found that moment to be just incredibly start and just a very black and white acknowledgement from the president on not only american complicity, but the president's complicity.

>> these are his decisions. and by the way, i mean, we're talking about all of the political ramifications the fallout that complicity is precisely what the people who are protesting are angry about. we don't know if those words and those actions will do much to the people who are that angry. but i do think the fact that he came out and acknowledged that was really important moment we're here in wisconsin, obviously, because it's a must-win state. >> it was a must-win state, as i said to him, for it, for him, for trump, the last time around. >> and he chose to come here today to a plant and where trump had had that huge announcement with the golden shovel for foxconn, the jobs didn't materialize. >> geoff and now here we are and present biden saying 100,000 people are going to be trained in ai here but on the economy, he was very defensive, said he's already done, already turned it around. >> there were a few words in there. he said, we've already turned it around of any words from the interview that could be used in a republican added

against him? that is it. every time the president has come to wisconsin issue, this is the fourth visit. he comes with an achievement. this was $3.3 hugely significant. he's done a bridge and superior. he's and lead pipes here in milwaukee have been along on several of these trips. so yes, there's significant achievements, but he also said these jobs won't come for three more years or so. what voters do not see right now is immediate aid. they see the inflation to the gas prices, but people are split. i was talking to voters here throughout the week and a retired couple adenosine, maureen glenn, said that they do not blame the president for this. they wish younger voters, like some people are family, would tighten their belts by generic foods. so you see an age split here in terms of what the thing is, but job creation versus inflation, inflation is a big problem for the president, the white house knows it. >> i don't understand this. i don't understand all these months later, he went i thought they spent $25 mistakenly last

it's fall touting by mimics and making the same argument that the president's making here. it is absolutely true. the world was plunged into an economic crisis in america was plunged annuity, economic crisis by the pandemic. and we've come back faster than almost any other country. and he's right about that, but that's not the way people are experiencing the economy. their experience sing it through the lens of the cost of living. and he is a man who's built his career on empathy, where, where is why not lead with the empathy? and i think he's making a terrible mistake it may not be if he doesn't win this race, it may not be donald trump that beats him. it may be he, his own pride. >> i mean, he was when i asked the question going through some of the negatives when he said we've already turned it around. and i mentioned that trump leads him in terms of voter trust and the economy by a wide margin, which he does. and every poll he says, the polling data has been wrong all along. you guys do a poll it cnn, how many folks do you call

the even get one response? >> he was quite defensive about that and he's been defensive about building in the past, but it's true that you can point to a positive data in the economy. but the reality still remains at that hasn't translated into positive economic outlook across the board. but you know, just on the question of, you wonder how much a, an announcement like the one that we saw today actually matters to people i was at that microsoft event and i was in the bathroom after the president had spoken and this woman walks in and she's by herself and i hear her. she's just like clapping and she's saying yes, yes, working factories. and she's not talking to anybody. she's like saying this to herself. clearly she is excited and i just think like we shouldn't underestimate that, something like that does mean something to a community, especially like this. they were so let down by the foxconn situation. but i think you've got to sort of how complicated this is when you ask them about the day-to-day pain that people are feeling because of prices being

so high. and his answer was, well, people have more money to spend now and yeah, they're angry, but things cost more. what do you do about that? so it's got there was one other thing that we talked about. i want to play it, but this is just the juxtaposition, right? trump came here last week on his day off from the stormy daniels trial, which is wednesday he came because of wisconsin must win for him too. but the way they're spending every other day is very different. so i asked president biden whether he's following the trial. here's what he said. >> seven courtroom a couple days following that at all not only on the evening news so only on the evening news, i mean, you wouldn't try to disdain and say, i'm not. but at night because during the day his days are very different. hizon, the campaign trail and i'm saying with other where's trump? i mean, when you look at that side-by-side, forget the golden shovel. >> it's very different. >> yeah. and i had my doubts about whether a conviction or an quit all or a hung jury here

would have any impact on trump's image, no matter what happens. and so biden says he's following it at night. it's following it more than most americans are following it at all. they are following this conversation about food prices. i agree with aks. i think his economic messaging is incredibly week. i thought he wind when you correct. change my point of view no, you can't. and then i thought he want you correctly confronted him with the statistics and the polling any wind about that? and then of course we went wobbly on israel i think he is desperate for i think he must be mortified when he looks at poll after poll that says the american people trust donald trump more on the economy. they trust them to be a strong leader. and they believe that the world is in chaos because he's weak and trump is strong, it must be more to find and he can't find a way out of this cul-de-sac. >> i will. all of you. thank you so much and so wonderful to all be together here in milwaukee on an beautiful day, which it was not yesterday, but we got gorgeous spring day here in wisconsin. next, we are learning new details about a significant change in strategy by trump's legal team hours

before he is back in that courtroom, they are now planning to spend a lot more time the stormy daniel's as the cross-examination continues, we're going to tell you what we're learning tonight about that. and the story everyone's talking about today, rfk claiming that a doctor told them a worm, a part of his brain and caused memory problems. and tonight speaking of the political conversation, he's joking, he could eat five more brain worms and still and in a debate adult film star stormy daniel's revealed salacious details about the former president during her first de on the witness stand. >> what can we expect on de two of her cross-examination? the trump hush money trial tomorrow at nine eastern on cnn oh no what if we don't get down in time to get a birthday gift for zoe, don't panic with etsy. we can find the perfect gift the, center. a preview right away i

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you see? >> my first championship in houston. second championship. charles not winning a championship, kitty, let's try and stay positive or positive. he didn't win a ring oh my god tonight, stormy daniels, just hours away from returning to the stand and trump's hush money trial, and we're learning she will face a much longer cross-examination that originally had been planned by trump's legal team this after nearly four hours of testimony in which she described an explicit detail her alleged sexual encounter with trump paula reid is out front with new reporting from her sources tonight and obviously, we're now just hours away from being back in that courtroom. and this is a major last-minute pivot by trump's team to keep daniels on the stand longer than planned. >> that you are learning about. tell me what you know. >> that's all right. kristen holmes and i are learning is that this still has a little ways to go because they want to address some of this reputational damage that may have occurred while she was on the stand. because remember this case does not succeed or fail based on the testimony of

stormy daniels, she's a main character in the story. she gave. prosecutors are first-hand account count of what was worth $130,000 right after access hollywood tape before the election. what exactly happened that trump would want to hide. she also undercut one of the defenses saying that, look, he really wasn't interested in protecting his family. but what they're going to be focused on tomorrow is the fact that you raised the possibility multiple times that this alleged encounter owner wasn't consensual, and aaron and they're upset about that because that is not what she has said historically though in her new documentary, she did compare this alleged encounter with trump to an experience she had as a child. she is, of course, a sexual abuse survivor. so this is something they want to focus on. now, keep saying the case does not succeed or fail on her testimony, but it really does appear that it's going to come down onto michael cohen. so everyone asking how soon could we see him expect stormy daniels will wrap up tomorrow. we'll hear from at least one other summary witness, someone who just gets evidenced in this week, michael cohen could come

as soon as this week, but we will definitely see him next week. and i'm told aaron, life please take about three days to get through that critical testimony all right. >> paula, thank you very much.& our experts are all with me. ryan goodman, let me start with you it was very clear in the courtroom yesterday at the end of the day when i was there i think just stayed a little longer. they probably would've finished with a cross and then they would have had a redirect. i understand. and are re-cross. >> but now there's this change of strategy that pollen christina reporting on that. >> this cross-examination is going to be a lot longer and a lot more intense why do you think that could backfire for trump's team? >> so i think it backfires especially if by going after stormy daniels in order to protect trump's reputation. what they mean by that is the concerns about his reputation publicly, not towards the jurors. so if that's the motivation to extend this and then try to go after a testimony can backfire in a couple of ways. the first is that it could just mean then she testifies more and more about the details as to why she

now we're saying that she felt uncomfortable in the situation and some of the testimony that she gave is towards the end of the spectrum of nonconsensual sexual encounter and the more they elicit that, that could actually be worse for him for the jurors. and then the other way in which it could backfire is right now we might actually have in a basis to appeal. they try to even say that there should be a mistrial because of the prejudicial information that came in from stormy daniel's because we're so salacious, et cetera. now, they will actually be eliciting it potentially so that else it might undermine their ability to use that as a basis to appeal the final judge right so terry, as paula said, trump's lawyers, part of the reason they want to do this is to, they want to ask these extra questions they believe it will help protect trump's reputation in specifically due to this issue that she raised the possibility just a much a much darker tone around the counter encounter that she describes, right. >> in terms of the pressure she fell, but it was not consensual in that in these tones that she

added to it, obviously, trump has repeatedly denied any sexual encounter at all so terry, how five align to the defense need to walk with its questioning, right. i mean, they don't want to admit it happened. it's going to be a very fine line that they have to walk. and i understand that they want to bring his reputation back, but what they should do is ask one question are you trying to say stormy daniels that you were raped? that's a yes or no move on. >> then they need to focus just on credibility and bias. and i think nicholas has already done that with the beginning of a cross-examination where she said, you hate donald trump, don't you? and she said, yes, i do. you want to see him in jail? don't do. and she said, i just want him to be held account the bowl. so those are the types of questions that i think they should focus on. spend as much time doing that as you want, but don't deal with what happened in that sexual encounter because that's just going to go south now, stephanie, last night, you called it you we were talking

you said trump's not going to take what his lawyer said. he's going to demand that they really go after stormy daniels tomorrow in the cross-examine. and now here we are hearing they're going to do exactly that how ugly and nasty will tomorrow have to be before he has had happy because i'll tell you being in the room yesterday on the cross, it was a pretty nasty cross to start with yeah, he's gonna he's gonna want them. >> like i said last night, he's going to want them to just fight for him and in his mind goes low as possible and he doesn't think understand that tomorrow. i think that the lawyers will be performing for him rather than jury. i think as ryan said, as well, i think that i think this could backfire in many ways. i think that she's probably had been watching news coverage. she's probably been talking to the prosecution, getting prepped and i don't think she's i mean, to me, she's just had time to reflect. she's never said that he forced himself on her. she's always said

stephanie, did they go hard on her? it could backfire. and again, you're oh, am i back i think i think let's try to work on it for a second because i hurt my back but nothing else ryan trump. >> i want to ask about the gag order because trump obviously has an appeals court now, he's asking them to expedite a ruling on his appeal of the gag order. as he continues to rail against it. so he goes on social media today. he says, it's really bad feeling to have your constitutional right to free speech. >> such a big part of life and our country. >> so unfairly taken from you, especially when all the sleazebags, low lives, and drifters that you oppose are allowed to say absolutely anything they want it's hard to sit back and listen to lies and false statements be made against you knowing that if you respond, even the most modest fashion, you're told back corrupt and highly conflicted, judge, you'll be put in prison. so okay. he's allowed to say whatever he wants about the judge. i'm just zoning in here ryan on sleazebags, low lives and drifters that you oppose is that violating the

gag order on witnesses i think it is. >> if they da wants to bring that to judge merchan, i think they have a very strong case for it. part of the reason have a very strong case from it is that it's obvious from context who donald trump is talking about. if you knew nothing, you had no, he's probably talking about stormy daniels testimony and having the back and listen to it. but then if you know about some of the other truth, social post that he has put out, including one in which he identifies her as a sleaze bag, who was lying and making misrepresentations. that's one of the prior truth social posts. we actually is quote, tweeting michael avenatti, her lawyer. it's about her and that's one of the truth social posts that justice michelle has said violated the gag order. he hold president trump in criminal contempt for the prior one and the reason he did is he said that these kinds of truth social posts, or denigrating to witnesses and it's obviously denigrating to cause somebody else leaves ball and say that they're lying and misrepresenting yeah.

>> and it was clear, right. the whole testimony that he called her horse face and asleep and sleaze bag, and that was part of the testimony yesterday. it's definitely in terms of where the gag order itself, prison has been thrown out by the judge, martin horn, former new york city corrections and probation is commissioners, so he knows all about this new about the room said trump would go to rikers island, the infamous location. >> if if he goes to jail for violating the gag order in a self-contained cell small space alone secret service would be outside those details have to be known to him at this point, right? >> stephanie yeah, absolutely. >> you know, i was thinking about this because if you would've asked me a week or two ago, i would've said absolutely not. there's no way he's trying to get thrown in jail, but he's got to know now what the plan would be from his personal secret service agents. and so yeah the news has been talking about it too, that perhaps the judge would get give them two or three hours from the first time. so if i were him and i know him quite well, he will be okay sitting for two or three hours, its own building all

right. >> was shot froze again, so thank you all very much. i appreciate your time. and rfk jr. says a worm, a part of his brain and cause memory problems now he's joking about it, saying you can eat five more and still beat biden and trump in a debate. >> well part of the reason we're all watching the story is because it's both terrifying and you want to know what would happen so top parasite expert is we're here to get your side of the store affairs, bribery, prostitution why do we keep ending up here you can't write this stuff. united states of scandal with jake tapper. now streaming on max from meat free monday to sizzle pan sunday so many ways to save life ready while it

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anywhere so anytime join me a charm.com when the jinx came out, i thought, oh my god when bob has a friend, he expects blind loyalty hi there them some five tonight, the worm that everyone's talking about, an rfk juniors brain. so the new york times is reporting that kennedy found the dead worm parasite after suffering from severe memory loss and mental fog. and so then he goes to several top neurologists and they see a dark spot on one of his brain scans. and according to a deposition, a couple of years later, kennedy says doctrine new york determined that the spot was caused by quote, a warm that got into my brain and ate a portion of it and then die. >> now rfk jr. respond to this report posting on social media tonight, quote, i offered eat five more brain worms and still beat president trump and president biden a debate making

light of the whole thing. but professor scott gardner runs one of the world's largest parasite collections at the university of nebraska, lincoln. >> and he joins me now because truly, professor gardner of this, this is something that has captivated people in disturbing ways. so rfk jr. says that the worm gotten is bringing in an aid, a portion of it. so as an expert on parasites, does that sound right to you? is this the kind of thing that can happen oh, yes, you can get to have this kind of, these kind of parasites in your brain, but it doesn't really eat the brain basically, it just grows and then move some of the brain out of the way as it's growing. >> so it's basically a tapeworm larva, probably that got in there when he was on one of his trips to the south south pacific or into asia. and then it was in there for awhile and apparently from what i've heard is that it's dead now, so then it starts to calcify and kind of goes away. it doesn't really

go away, but it just stays there. it's not going anywhere. once it starts to calcify so it was there. he says it's their cassava thing is just deeply disturbing. i think for all of u.s i mean, just to imagine that the times you're times reports, professor, that in this deposition, rfk jr. says, quote, i have cognitive problems clearly, i have short-term memory loss and i have longer-term memory loss that affects me is this something that could happen from parasites like this oh, definitely this kind of a parasite that we think that it is. >> i don't know if they got a species diagnosis on it or not. but this kind of parasite is pretty common in people around the world where hygiene is not so good. and people eat pig and so pork is a staple and the basic life cycle goes from human to pig. human, pig. and we're where people get in there in the problem sometimes

the problem is that sometimes the eggs are ingested accidentally, and then they basically burrow into your intestine and they get distributed distributed around in the blood system and end up in the brain or any other parts of your body. but they really do gravitate for the brain quite a bit. the species okay. >> so why is that? how does it get from your i mean, the whole thing is just horrible to contemplate, but how does it get from your intestine into your brain? >> a. couple of ways there hasn't happened well, we could go into it quite detailed, but what happens is the egg hatches in the small intestine. >> it goes into the blood system, the hepatic portal system goes into your liver if it makes it to the liver, it goes to the heart it makes it to the heart, it goes to the lungs. if it makes it, it might get stuck in any of those places if it makes it to the lungs and it goes back to the heart and it goes out to any part of the body and for some reason, this species generally

doesn't generally, but many times ends up in the brain of of its host. and people have this quite often and it's called taenia solium. it's the pork tapeworm. very interesting one so is he lucky? >> is rfk jr. lucky that? it didn't do more damage yes. >> especially since he only had one. that means he probably was infected by someone who didn't wash their hands after using the bathroom or something. so there was or perhaps infected salad, salad with the tapeworm egg on it. >> he probably didn't have the tapeworm actually growing in this intestine the way this parasite works is it uses humans is the main host. >> and pigs as the intermediate hosts. but if the person, if he had this, if you'd had a tapeworm in him, he could have been infected from from one of the tapeworm eggs inside him, but more than likely it was probably an accidental infection from some hygienic problem in a restaurant or somewhere else