smart metres into our homes over my dead body, say i. and in south africa, there's a general election coming up in a couple of weeks time. there's a new political party with a leader, gayton mckenzie, who is being called the black african trump. he joins us live from cape town. hold on to your hats for that one. but before the program, let's get the news with aaron armstrong . armstrong. >> very good evening to you. i'm aaron armstrong, the chancellor has cautioned the bank of england against cutting interest rates too quickly . the bank has rates too quickly. the bank has decided to hold borrowing costs at the same level. 5.25% for a sixth time. but governor andrew bailey says he's optimistic inflation will continue to fall and has suggested an interest rate cut could come as soon as next month. jeremy hunt urged the bank not to take risks with inflation. >> i welcome the fact the bank of england has obviously thought about this very hard. they take this decision independently and

i would much rather that they waited until they're absolutely sure inflation is on a downward trajectory . vie and rushed into trajectory. vie and rushed into a decision that they had to reverse at a later stage. what we want is sustainably low interest rates. and i think what's encouraging is that the bank of england governor for the first time has expressed real optimism that we're on that path. >> pro—palestinian protesters have been gathering in the swedish city of malmo ahead of the second eurovision semi—final. hundreds of demonstrators have been waving palestinian flags in the city's historic market square, in opposition to israel's participation in the song contest. the crowds could be heard booing last night during israel's performance. organisers have also been forced to apologise after sweden's eric saade wore a palestinian scarf. a breach of the contest's ban on political symbols. labour's new mp, natalie elphicke, has apologised for comments she made about sexual assault . the mp for about sexual assault. the mp for dover announced her defection

from the tories to labour moments before pmqs yesterday, but it's ignited a backlash amongst some labour mps after comments made in defence of her former partner, who was convicted of assaulting two women. however, the labour chair, anneliese dodds, says she's already been held to account. >> well, those were very , very >> well, those were very, very serious issues. the sexual assault that was rightly prosecuted. and of course, there was a parliamentary process that followed that, including a parliamentary process that appued parliamentary process that applied to natalie elphicke. so it's absolutely right that there was accountability there. it's an incredibly important matter. every workplace , including every workplace, including parliament, has got to be free of sexual harassment . of sexual harassment. >> and the home office has removed figures on french efforts to stop small boat launches from its website. the u—turn comes a little more than a week after it first started publishing the data. in an effort to show cooperation between french and uk authorities. well, the most

recent figures had shown french authorities stopped more than a thousand migrants from launching boats since last week. and for the latest, you can sign up to our alerts, scan the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. com slash alerts. now it's back to . nigel. to. nigel. >> good evening. in response to the protests at universities and growing anti—semitism today, the prime minister called a round table meeting in downing street. he wants to stamp out anti semitism. he wants our universities to be bastions of tolerance. while you're a bit late, old son on that one. i think i've been saying for some years that i felt that our universities in this country had become madrassas of marxism. well, i think we can throw racism into the pot now as well. i am pretty unimpressed by all of them last night. this is hard to believe, actually . the to believe, actually. the national union of students voted to expel the union of jewish

students. quite unbelievable that it happened. even more unbelievable how little coverage that story has had today across the breadth of mainstream media. and then last night at the cambridge union, a good friend of mine, peter thiel, he's an american billionaire entrepreneur. he and elon musk together launched paypal just over 20 years ago. peter thiel was speaking at an oxford union debate this is how he was greeted during his speech . greeted during his speech. >> since october 7th, 14,000 children in palestine have been murdered, and palantir is complicit in that. your actions are complicit in the genocide of thousands of people to ask the question rather than platforming people rather than platforming people rather than platforming people like you, this university should be calling on the government to an immediate two way embargo with israel . and yet way embargo with israel. and yet your technology is ensuring your technology is ensuring that hospitals are being bombed , you

hospitals are being bombed, you are complicit in genocide, and this university is platforming people who are complicit in genocide . genocide. >> and if that wasn't bad enough, when peter thiel tried to leave, he was literally stopped from leaving the university in his car. and you can see these pictures, people blocking the road , waving their blocking the road, waving their palestinian flags and a distinguished foreign guest who had accepted an invitation unpaid, of course , to go and unpaid, of course, to go and speak at the cambridge union, will i have no doubt, never, ever go there again. you know, for the last five years, cambridge university have asked me to go and speak at the union every single year. i've said no every single year. i've said no every time. having seen what happened there last night, i'm right not to go. who in their right not to go. who in their right minds, who in their right minds would ever now go to have a free speech, open debate at the cambridge union, which bnngs the cambridge union, which brings into question what the point of universities actually is in america for many of these protests have been stopped, and it's fine for people to protest,

but not to put up permanent camps, to not start using language that is, frankly open vie easily visible as anti—semitism , i do believe in anti—semitism, i do believe in free speech. i do believe in the right to protest. but i think these protests should be stopped as they have been at many american universities. what say you? american universities. what say you.7 should american universities. what say you? should the protests be stopped? farage @gbnews for.com. well, joining me down the line is james price, director of government engagement at the adam smith institute and a former special adviser at the department of education. james, if we can't have free speech if distinguish and peter, peter thiel is a very distinguished man, no question about that. if they can't go to a university without demands for them to be de—platformed , if it's not about de—platformed, if it's not about free thinking and expanding the mind of young people, what is the point of university? >> it's a very, very good point. and unfortunately, it's a very, it's not even a timely one. this

is a debate that's been had for a long, long time. of course, it used to be that the left wing, who were very pro free speech, it was one of the things they were proud of because all the institutions used to be controlled by stuffy old people like you. and i would say, no, you can't say that. you can't say that. and that's where things like the oxford union and that i was president of and the cambridge union as well, which are meant to be separate and in an independent of the universities, came up so that people could have a free place where they could debate these kinds of things, because you never know, you might be wrong, you might learn something in these places. but that's not the point of universities anymore. and you used the phrase madrassa. i think you're spot on. i mentioned that i was, president of the oxford union at weirdly, i did it about ten years after i was a student, and a prank that kind of went too far. well, during lockdown, when all the rules got changed. so i went back as the oldest ever president and saw quite how far the universities had fallen in ten years. and like you, i got called every iste and every phobe going and then you kind of 9°, phobe going and then you kind of go, okay, why do you think that? have you read this person's

book? have you heard what they've got to say? and you just get these sort of blank stares and this is the problem. they don't know what they're talking about. >> and it's happened very quickly. i mean, i remember going to the oxford union 20, 25 years ago. i went many times and i was debating issues that were minority issues, leaving the eu, controlling our borders, real minority issues at the time. and whilst i'd always lose the vote, i was actually listened to with a degree of respect . that a degree of respect. that wouldn't happen now would it? >> no. and you saw it in that video there that peter teal is giving an answer. there's always a question and answer session in these things. and anybody who's a member can stand up. and part of the fun is that you've got some little upstart 18 year old who can challenge peter thiel, nigel farage, whoever it may be going in there, but this woman's not interested in that. she gets up halfway through an answer, rudely starts bleating into it, and is filming herself, of course, because that's the whole point. and you know, what are they actually complaining about? they're complaining about an issue thousands of miles away. and we've been told in university now for decades, rightly, that racism is very terrible. and it's got to a

point now where racism is the worst thing anybody can ever do. and fair enough. nobody wants to be racist. that's obviously very terrible. but when it comes to the single issue of that , these the single issue of that, these lefties fail. they're the ones saying, actually, you know, jews can't walk freely on american campuses. they start targeting people who look openly jewish. and whilst it starts with jews, as we know from history, it never stops with them. >> first they came for the jews. quick final thought on this. i think the encampments being there on a permanent basis actually foments this kind of extreme behaviour more and more they've had their fun. is it time to close down these protests? >> yeah, i think so, i think so i think that these, these hardcore lefties are basically communists at this point and they don't actually care about they don't actually care about the freedoms that make our country great. things like free speech, freedom of assembly , all speech, freedom of assembly, all this kind of stuff. and they take advantage of it and they use it. you look at every saturday in london and other major cities, it's now become a no go zone for people who look, quote, openly jewish and frankly, pretty unpleasant for the rest of us. it's time to get

a better balance of rights in this country and those who want to study or just, frankly, walk down oxford street in peace on a saturday, they should have their rights respected over and above these frankly increasingly smelly commies in these camps. >> james, i'm with you all the way. even with your last comment, i have to say thank you very much indeed. now, i mentioned, i mentioned earlier that the national union of students voted to expel the union of jewish students last night. well, i'm very pleased to be joined by rl toble and president of the israel society at king's college london, rl, welcome to the program. >> thank you very much for having me on. nigel. i you know, i've been in and out of current affairs and politics and media for 30 years, exactly 30 years. >> congratulations. i know well i've survived. i never thought i'd read out a statement like that that the union of jewish students have been expelled. what's going on? >> well, you know, nigel, i'd love to say that i'm shocked or horrified or surprised at the very least. but unfortunately,

i'm not. this is clearly the product of decades of leftist idiocy, and the fact that it hasn't been clamped on earlier is absolutely insane . it's is absolutely insane. it's ridiculous to have students call for the nus to essentially divest from ujs and for jewish students to no longer have represent ation across the country is ridiculous. >> it's totally ridiculous. but it's happened . i mean, you're at it's happened. i mean, you're at ucl, what's it's happened. i mean, you're at ucl, what's kcl? it's happened. i mean, you're at ucl, what's kcl? sorry i apologise kcl what's the situation there ? situation there? >> not good. frankly not good, i've had numerous meetings with the administration in order to discuss the clear institutional anti—semitism problem, not only at kcl, but also in the student union. we have had instances in

which students have been verbally harassed. we have incidents in which academic staff have posted clear violations of the 2006 terrorism act and otherwise staff, staff, professors , lecturers in war professors, lecturers in war studies, especially such as doctor rosenow, who actually was hired after october 7th but on october 7th posted tweets in celebration of the fact i don't know the individual. >> i'll take your word for it. thank you . okay, it's pretty thank you. okay, it's pretty awful situation. our jewish students afraid to be on campus? >> of course. of course. i mean, what else can they feel? and when you have the nus who suddenly say , oh, it's suddenly say, oh, it's absolutely shameful that such lies spread misinformation and fear amongst jewish students at a time that is already filled with tension. that is the most hypocritical phrase that i have

ever heard. >> so when i said earlier that the prime minister's call for unions to be bastions of tolerance , you know, that ship tolerance, you know, that ship has sailed. >> well, i mean, how do we turn this around? authoritarianism? >> how do we turn or do we do we turn this around? >> it's very difficult, very difficult to do so unless there is a shutdown of these protests . is a shutdown of these protests. because the truth is they're not going to stop. nigel even if they try and get what they want and they most likely will not. they cannot . they're not going they cannot. they're not going to stop because they're addicts. they are addicted to the feeling that they get when they imagine themselves as saviours. and that is not going to stop any time soon, which really says that the government needs to now act on our university sector, perhaps on our secondary school sector as well , of course, on our secondary school sector as well, of course, and make it very, very clear that that we as a country won't tolerate this. >> but that would take brave leadership, wouldn't it, from any government, of course, of course, brave leadership and

also brave policing . i sense also brave policing. i sense there's no optimism in you at all. >> i think after months of slamming my head into a wall, trying to justify to seasoned academic professionals how and why certain incidents and statements are anti—semitic and genocidal and indicative of support for terrorism in nature. >> that does not fill me with optimism at all. it's actually indicative of a much wider issue indicative of a much wider issue in british institutions in which we have allowed individuals with clear anti—british motives to fester . fester. >> or i'll it's quite a depressing situation that you paint , but i depressing situation that you paint, but i thank you for coming in and speaking as frankly as you have. >> thanks very much, nigel. >> thanks very much, nigel. >> it's. yeah, i mean, it really is very, very bad indeed. now, patrick christys joins me down

the line from our paddington studio with another exclusive. what have you got, patrick? >> yes. well, i decided to go to that oxford university pro—palestine encampment outside their museum of natural history, and it was a fascinating experience. here's a little snapshot of it. nigel once unked snapshot of it. nigel once linked arms to, to try to force us. i think out as close , it's us. i think out as close, it's a bastion of freedom, of speech at oxford university. do you think this might be a bit fascist ? this might be a bit fascist? sign free. free? that's a little bit fascist palestine? no. okay. palestine yes. so there we go . palestine yes. so there we go. that once great institution, oxford university, a bastion for sculpting the best young minds, not just in britain, but around the world as well. reduced to a load of mass wearing unwashed, fake communists. their worldview was somewhat shattered. nigel when people kept coming up to say that they watched gb news. both students, and members of

the public, which didn't do us any favours. but on a very serious note, yes, that company is not going away any time soon. and if you really do look at it and think about it, what would it have been like if i had been jewish or quote unquote, visibly jewish, going through that particular encampment? it would not have been a good, pleasant experience. and 108 members of staff at oxford university have signed up for their support, and members of staff were driving past tooting their horns as those people were doing all of that. so, you know, all right, there might be some comical elements to it, but actually it's a very serious point and it will be all over. i patrick. >> i laughed at it and thought i shouldn't be laughing, but it very much, as you say, if 108 you know, professors and lecturers have signed up, it's very much what a rail was telling us a moment ago . telling us a moment ago. patrick. thank you. we'll watch that later. after the break, we'll talk about lord cameron having been to america and told them their fortunes. he's now telling the european union what to do. but is this really the man? does he does he actually have that level of authority on

the world stage? i don't really think so.

i asked you, is it time these protests outside the universities were stopped. were some very strong responses coming in. clive says it's about time. all of the protests were stopped. alfred says yes . close stopped. alfred says yes. close them down now. no messing around with these answers . shane says with these answers. shane says these anti—jewish protesters on universities should absolutely be shut down. i'd also go one step further and close down the london protest. and do you know what, shane? you know, i want us to live in a country where we can speak freely. i want us to live in a country where we can demonstrate. but i'm not sure demonstrating every single saturday is really what ought to be allowed. and the police, of

course, do have other things to do. now lord cameron, having been off, of course, recently to america, telling them what they should do in terms of their ukrainian funding, is now telling the european union we must be tougher on russia and china , we must be more robust china, we must be more robust and that other eu countries ought to now make a commitment of 2.5% to nato. well, i'm joined by major general chip chapman , former head of chapman, former head of counter—terrorism at the mod and former senior british military advisor to us central command, general . i just really wonder general. i just really wonder whether this is the right messenger, whether for, you know, the man that launched us into really quite disastrous libyan war, which we entered without any thought of how it might end , finished up with isis might end, finished up with isis being formed, finished up as the late gaddafi. i'm not praising him as a man, but he said millions of people would cross the mediterranean. if you put me out, how is this the right guy to go around the world telling

everyone their fortune? >> well, the first thing i think is he was prime minister for six years from 2010 to 16, which gives him significant diplomatic clout on the international stage. and of course , during his stage. and of course, during his tenure in 2014 at celtic haven, that was the nato summit in wales , which established the 2% wales, which established the 2% baseline, which was due to be finalised in 2024 this year. so having the heft of his former position and one of the pub quiz questions in the future will be name all the foreign secretary. since 2016 and no one will get it right. he is the right man because we are a diplomatic partner. >> he's got heft because of who he's been. yeah. all right, i'll take that. i'll put my personal feelings to one side. it's just. it's just the libya thing that really gets me . that was badly really gets me. that was badly thought through, wasn't it? >> it was. it was a european, european sort of thing, which the americans had to get on on top of reluctantly, reluctantly . top of reluctantly, reluctantly. and of course, there was no defined end state. there was no great strategy. and that's where it went wrong. and of course,

now, because of that and iraq, we had the chilcot inquiry, which gives you a good checklist for looking how you should do things in a strategic sense in the future. >> now, donald trump has been really pushing nato members very, very hard, both when he was president and indeed in this campaign. but all well and good, cameron talking about 2.5. but we've literally only got half of the nato members now paying 2% now. and i actually believe that trump's message is very positive and is designed to be positive , and is designed to be positive, but don't we need to get to 2% before we tell them two and a half? >> well, there's two aspects to that. the first thing that donald trump was really on about was about the non bill payers and not coming to the assistance of those. but the second thing is, the closer you get to ukraine and russia, the more you find the gdp allocated to defence. so for example poland is the biggest at 3.9, latvia, estonia , lithuania over 2.5, estonia, lithuania over 2.5, romania over 2.5, finland, the

largest, longest border, now with russia 2.5 and the other newest member of nato, sweden is giving another 700 million crowns this year to bring it to 2.1. so it's those who drift away from the closeness to russia, which are the it's not quite as imminent. >> yeah. and ireland spend virtually nothing. >> well , virtually nothing. >> well, ireland is not a member of nato and is a neutral country, but we kind of give protection to ireland . we do the protection to ireland. we do the air patrol over ireland. that is true. there's a reciprocal arrangement about that. i think ireland will significantly raise its defence budget because of the russians loitering off their coastline, particularly in terms of the undersea cables in future, which is a national interest for us also in the nonh interest for us also in the north sea just amuses me. >> the irish government attack us all the time, and yet we seem to be very generous in terms of air support and how here's the thing. you know, we've got a commitment from this government to up defence spending to 2.5% by 2030. not that they'll be that. by 2030. not that they'll be that . labour have

by 2030. not that they'll be that. labour have said by 2030. not that they'll be that . labour have said they will that. labour have said they will up defence spending, perhaps up to 2.5% if they can afford it. so actually, you know, when david cameron says that security will be, will be on the ballot paper at the general election , i paper at the general election, i thought john healey was pretty impressive at the despatch box the other day. there isn't a lot between them, is there really? >> no, i don't think there is. and both have said 2.5, but but with a different message at the end of it, the 2.5% or 2% or 3% or whatever you come to is actually strategically illiterate. it's what you buy for your buck. and the reality is that we have between 3 and 6 times as much combat power as russia in terms of afvs, tanks, fighter aircraft , artillery fighter aircraft, artillery pieces. and you'll never open a second front if you're strategically not strategically literate from a russian sense. so the notion that we will be at war or in a pre—war period, you always need to define what that really should mean. my own view is that we're actually in a long

peace period , and we can peace period, and we can preserve that by continued deterrence . indeed, it's really deterrence. indeed, it's really montgomery from the early 50s, as diesel saying that the test match is indefinitely postponed due to the deterrent posture of the western alliance. we're still in that . still in that. >> well, i hope i absolutely hope you're right on that now. final thought and very tough question. take, for example, the health service we've gone in the last few years from spending 7% of gdp to over 10% of gdp, and fewer of us can get gp appointments and the waiting lists get bigger. all of which makes me think maybe we're not spending the money very well. it's much more difficult to work out with defence, whether the money that is spent on defence procurement, whether we're getting value for money. but there have been an awful lot of stories that whenever the mod takes something on, it's over budget , it's delayed, it's late. budget, it's delayed, it's late. as somebody who's been very closely involved in this, do we need to improve ? you know, we're need to improve? you know, we're

going to spend more money. fine. do we need to improve the way we're spending it? >> absolutely. i mean, we're holding £17 billion worth of risk in the equipment programme from the nao national audit office statistics . and you give office statistics. and you give more money that will be consumed by these equipment programmes. so the best way to have more money is to grow the economy. a growing economy gives you a bigger gdp and hope we then spend it wisely. >> and if we're not spending it wisely, what do we do, well , i wisely, what do we do, well, i know it's hard. >> you need you need to reform things. and you can only reform things. and you can only reform things in either functional or structural terms . changing the structural terms. changing the culture of waste in all government departments . there is government departments. there is significant waste in all government departments. if you can't get 10% waste out over a three year period each year, then you're not looking well enough. >> that's a very good point on which to finish. chip chapman as even which to finish. chip chapman as ever, thank you very much for joining me in a moment. british gas. yeah, the boss of british gas. yeah, the boss of british gas on his £8 million a year, says says that 44% of his customers haven't got smart

metres and he thinks they should be installed without us having any choice at all. well those that watch this show regularly know that i'm completely opposed to smart metres. in a moment, i'll tell you why. over my

i think most people get smart metres because they're effectively bullied into it. i keep getting these letters telling me it's urgent that i have to get a smart metre. i've had a knock at the door telling me i've got to get a smart metre. i am not getting a smart metre. i am not getting a smart metre . and why? because when metre. and why? because when you're. oh, and they'll tell you you'll save money and all the rest of it. because you won't. why? because they're using it. because they want and they admit it. the water company has admitted openly to manage demand, which means when it suits, they can turn you off. when the windmills and the solar farms don't produce enough electricity, they can turn you

off the same with water and the same indeed with gas. well, chris o'shea, who's the boss of british gas, who as i mentioned before, the break, an £8.2 million last year, has said smart metres should be mandatory in every household in order to have, you guessed it, meet net zero targets. there you are, there you are. you have to be hooked up to a smart metre to meet net zero. he's alarmed that 44% of his customers don't have them , and that may well be chris them, and that may well be chris o'shea, because they don't actually want them, because they don't trust you or any of the other companies. i'm joined by harry wilkinson, head of policy at the global warming policy foundation . and, harry, when you foundation. and, harry, when you get these letters or these phone calls, the impression the companies give you is that legally they have the right to do this, but they don't, do they? >> that's right. and i have experience of this as well. i was just recently pressured

relentlessly on the telephone to get a smart metre . what we see get a smart metre. what we see is that compulsion is the name of the game when it comes to net zero, and this is the latest example of that. we're being asked as consumers to facilitate the needs of the companies of the needs of the companies of the government . it used to be the government. it used to be that these companies competed to meet our needs and we had choices as consumers. now it seems to have flipped around with the business class , the with the business class, the political class telling people, you have to behave in this way. you have to get the smart metre, you have to drive an electric car, you have to get a heat pump. and they don't seem to accept it when at the moment. >> so at the moment, and we have made this point to our viewers and listeners before, you know, however much they give the impression that they have the right to do this legally, you can stand your ground. >> well, you can. i would certainly urge people to think about their personal circumstances. now, you know, when you look at it, the economics of this, you will find that there can be savings from,

you know, matching demand and supply. however it's reliant on people using energy . maybe at people using energy. maybe at different times, the people who will be suffering from this will be the nine to fivers people going into jobs. they have to go into the office. whereas maybe people who have the luxury of working from home and detached homes, which who tend to be very wealthier, you know, we'll be able to choose to use energy when they need it. and you know, a public accounts committee report just last year found that , you know, the benefits of the smart metre programme went overwhelmingly to the richest. and that's no surprise . we see and that's no surprise. we see that across many green policies. >> yeah. and the worst off, of course of all are those on pre—pay metres , you know. and pre—pay metres, you know. and they're the ones i think paying they're the ones i think paying the highest prices for everything aren't they. >> that's right. energy costs go , you know, are felt most pronounced by the poorest people in our society. getting energy bills down is a moral imperative for the government . they've

for the government. they've spent the last 20 years, you know, focusing on decarbonisation to the exclusion of affordability, reliability, national security . national security. >> yeah. and more broadly, the global warming policy foundation deniers. i mean, some of the worst people in the country, there does seem to be here and particularly across europe, quite a big change going on. the farmers protests were perhaps one example of saying, look, this green policy is all going a little bit too far. i mean, evs perhaps being a case in point. very interesting. i thought overnight that sir jim ratcliffe and, you know, he is one of our top two leading industrialists. so originally boris said, after 2030, we will only be able to buy evs, new evs, no more petrol and diesel cars and he was going to save the planet. it was all wonderful stuff. and then of course they said, well, it's not actually going to work. so we're going to, you know, shift that to 2035. now jim ratcliffe is saying 2035 is completely

unrealistic because people have stopped buying evs in the same numbers. >> well, all we had was the ezedi vie mandate, which set a target , you know, so we only saw target, you know, so we only saw a very modest change. it was only in the period between 2030 and 2035 that, you know, that, just 20% of people can buy petrol cars at that time. so it's a small number. the leeway isn't very much. and so rather than only be allowed to buy plug in hybrids during that 2030 to 35 period, people were able to buy now petrol cars as well. so there's been a modest slide back. the government needs to go further. you know, we've heard claire coutinho just recently speak about how net zero can't be about compulsion. it has to be about compulsion. it has to be about compulsion. it has to be about consumer choice. >> the mood, the mood , music >> the mood, the mood, music from governments changing last thought heat pumps. from governments changing last thought heat pumps . there are thought heat pumps. there are some people who think they're marvellous. others say they cost an absolute fortune when it gets below 4 or 5 degrees. what's happening with the uptake of heat pumps? >> well, you know, when it comes to heat pumps, i'm not pro or

anti heat pump. what i think is people should be able to choose. and it's going to depend on what people's own house is like, whether it will work well for them. >> i urge people a modern house. >> i urge people a modern house. >> it might work but certainly a modern houses it might work. certainly the rollout is going much slower than the government's hoped. it hoped to introduce a clean heat market mechanism to enforce the uptake of heat pumps, and it wanted to introduce that in april this yeah introduce that in april this year. it's pushed that back after a backlash. >> everything's being pushed back. harry, thank you for joining me now folks. back. harry, thank you for joining me now folks . what the joining me now folks. what the farage moments. the world health organisation treaty . yes, i know organisation treaty. yes, i know i've been banging on about it for some time. maybe you think i've been a lone voice, but out there someone is listening. because overnight we learn in an article on page two of today's daily telegraph that the government have said they won't sign the treaty if it commits us to give away at the whose orders up to 20% of our ppe , of our

up to 20% of our ppe, of our vaccines or any other medical kit that we have. government, we're not going to sign this treaty if they can take away 20% of our stuff during the next pandemic. but what i don't want to see is them signing the treaty, and this is the old european union playbook, signing the treaty. but coming back and saying , but we're not going to saying, but we're not going to have that. so it's a huge victory. if this government signs that treaty, it will mean the world health organisation, by an international binding treaty , will be able to tell us treaty, will be able to tell us to lock down when they deem there to be a pandemic. that would be the most extraordinary surrender of sovereignty. it cannot be allowed. and i will be launching a campaign , a launching a campaign, a non—party campaign on monday, looking for signatures. i'll be launching a petition next week to get a debate going in the house of commons. how on earth can brexit britain sign away that much of our liberty? i want the government and the opposition to wake up to this.

i'm really going to be on this case next week. now. de—banking what i see, i in a way, i was one of the first known public figures to come out and say that i'd been debunked. well, it's happening to a lot more people. and today it was the turn of andy haldane, who'd been a senior economist at the bank of england and now is the chief executive of the royal society of arts. here was andy haldane earlier on. >> i remember last year , nigel >> i remember last year, nigel farage being debunked . do you farage being debunked. do you remember that , i mean, since remember that, i mean, since then, more than 140,000 companies have been debunked across the uk , including me. so, across the uk, including me. so, i tried to open a bank account, last year and the bank was very nice, very straightforward process , some application in it process, some application in it came back a few weeks later , came back a few weeks later, refusing me a bank account. no explanation given. so i thought

i'd better dig into that. and they said, your account's been refused because you are politically connected by dint of working for the bank of england. now three problems with that. one, i wasn't working for the bank of england. i was working here. two, the bank of england is, by statute , independent from is, by statute, independent from government . right, tricky. and government. right, tricky. and third, the bank of millom was their regulator. right. so the risk was to their regulator. >> you know, i have a feeling that the de—banking story will never go away. i'll be talking about it until the day i die, because i don't see any sense of reform coming. and he also put this slide up on the screen. yes. he said that we're all nigels now. well, in many ways

that's true because too many people have been debunked . now, people have been debunked. now, in a moment, there is a general election coming up in south africa and a couple of weeks time and there is a new up and coming figure in south african politics. his name is gayton mckenzie, and some are saying this is africa's black donald trump. in a moment we're going to speak to gayton

30 years ago. tomorrow nelson mandela became the president of south africa . there is no doubt south africa. there is no doubt he was a very great man in many ways. sadly since he's gone and south africa has been led by the anc, the country has gone downhill. massive unemployed payment rolling, power blackouts rising crime, especially in places like johannesburg on a level that is truly

extraordinary, a very, very weak currency and there are many huge illegal immigration into the country and many, many other problems . well, the south problems. well, the south africans have a general election on the 29th of may, and there is a new party. well, it's not that new. it's been around a decade, but it's beginning to make some gains. it's called the patriotic alliance . it is led by gayton alliance. it is led by gayton mckenzie. he's the president of the party. some say that he is the party. some say that he is the african donald trump, i don't know, but i think it's about time a british audience got to find out who this man is. now gayton, welcome to the program. i have to say , i've program. i have to say, i've never started any conversation with a political leader by saying that he was in former times, a gangster who spent some times, a gangster who spent some time in prison. times, a gangster who spent some time in prison . but i understand time in prison. but i understand that.|s time in prison. but i understand that. is your background . that. is your background. thanks. thanks. thanks for having me, nigel. it's an

absolute pleasure for me to be on your show. well you know, as i said to you in south africa, you had two choices growing up. you could either say yes, boss, which was a derogatory term . not which was a derogatory term. not the way you understand, boss. you had to say to white people like my father did. you had to bow before white people and they say, yes, boss. or you could decide. listen, i'm not going to do this. and i was from the generation that said, i'm not going to do this. and crime was a career choice for me . and i a career choice for me. and i got involved in crime at an early age, went to jail, spent my whole youth in prison, and i realised crime doesn't pay . he realised crime doesn't pay. he lost my whole youth and i came out and i said, i'm going to become an entrepreneur. fortunately, i became very successful. i wasn't a successful. i wasn't a successful criminal. i became a successful criminal. i became a successful entrepreneur. and then i looked at my country and i'm like, my country is being overtaken by illegal foreigners , overtaken by illegal foreigners, countries going backwards, and the majority of our problems is bad government, but also the inability of the government to see the harm that illegal

foreigners are causing . it's an foreigners are causing. it's an interesting country. >> i mean, i've seen gayton in the last few weeks. there have been some by elections in the capein been some by elections in the cape in which your party has started to get some impressive scores and to win some seats, the latest polling i saw puts you on about 10% nationally. so, you on about 10% nationally. so, you know, you could well be you could well be the person holding the balance of power. given that the balance of power. given that the anc are now down below 50, are you feeling at the moment that you are the man that will be holding the balance of power after this election? >> well, that's the plan. that's the plan. we want to be the kingmakers. we are already the kingmakers. we are already the kingmakers in the city of johannesburg, and we are the kingmakers in other towns in south africa . we want to have south africa. we want to have 10% of the vote and we will then decide who's going to be the next president. we might choose ourselves, but that's the plan to be the kingmaker and to hold

the balance of power and all indications currently is showing that , we are indications currently is showing that, we are that party. i mean, we only competition we have in that terrain is a party run by another mad man called julius malema . and he is, is also malema. and he is, is also aiming for the top for the sport of becoming kingmaker. but i think we want to beat him to it. >> yeah. so give us a taste, if you would. gayton. give us a taste of the patriotic alliance manifesto you mentioned earlier. you know, the staggering levels of illegal immigration coming into south africa . the, what into south africa. the, what does gayton do in policy terms about illegal. immigration? oh, i think we've lost gayton . oh, i think we've lost gayton. thatis oh, i think we've lost gayton. that is a complete disaster. are you hearing us, gayton ? oh, you hearing us, gayton? oh, that's a real shame. that is a

real shame, because i was hoping because i have i have had a look at the manifesto, and, i mean, this guy is just not messing around in any way at all. one of the interesting things about his time in prison, where he saw some pretty shocking, awful, violent things , is he's come out violent things, is he's come out and not just become a successful spy and not just become a successful spy seeker, businessman, also a christian. and you know, he wants to put he wants to put the teaching of christ at the centre of children's education in south africa. he feels that that's gone and the country has lost its way. he believes as, as 1 or 2 backbench tory mps in this country believe, that national service would give the nation's youth a sense of purpose, a sense of discipline. i mean, you know, this is really full on stuff, when it comes to illegal immigration. well, there's no messing around there. he is talking about mass deportations

of those who have illegally come into south africa and crime, which which crime, which blights south africa in a way that i don't want to go anymore . i used don't want to go anymore. i used to like to go there to fish. it's a fantastic country. it's got an amazing climate. but every time that i've gone or members of my family have gone, they've been victims of crime, of some kind, whether it's the car or the apartment they're staying in has been robbed. and he really wants to get tough on crime. i think this really perhaps is right at the heart of what he stands for. and he does support the death penalty. he does support much, much tougher prison sentences , albeit in prison sentences, albeit in prisons that aren't barbaric, prisons that aren't barbaric, prisons that aren't barbaric, prisons that treat people as human beings. after the terrible experiences that he had. and it's really interesting. and he is a bit maybe down the line with a delay. we couldn't quite get the way he is. but if you google gayton mckenzie and see some of his campaign speeches, it's fascinating. and i have to say the anc have been , you know,

say the anc have been, you know, i said mandela was a great man and i really, really meant that. but the anc, i'm afraid, have been utterly corrupt. and south africa has gone down the drain under them. and whilst they will still be the biggest party at the next election, i think many of us that want south africa to do well have been praying for a gayton mckenzie type figure to come along. jacob we didn't get a lot there, sadly, from him, but the fact that the anc are going downhill must be good news. must be good news. as you said, it's been enormously corrupt that they even corrupted the internal revenue service to make the collecting of taxes under jacob zuma make the collecting of taxes underjacob zuma harder. under jacob zuma harder. >> it's quite extraordinary how deep set the corruption under the anc has been and has continued to be. and it could be one of the most successful countries. it's got wonderful resources , it's got a good resources, it's got a good infrastructure, it's got the possibility for a thriving economy. i used to be an emerging markets investor, and south africa was always high on our list of places that were of interest. but then the policy

decisions were wrong and the corruption took away profits. >> yeah. and i mean the cape wonderful climate , that sort of wonderful climate, that sort of garden coast where it actually rains quite a lot. it's green. they produce amazing wine , it's they produce amazing wine, it's going to be very, very interesting. it's going to be very, very interesting. and, and this guy's life story is extraordinary. >> amazing isn't it? i loved his line that i was a successful criminal and now i'm successful. on from that i was brilliant. >> i mean, it really was a pretty amazing line, wasn't it? and anyway , we will get gayton and anyway, we will get gayton mckenzie back at some point. the polls say he wins 10. that does make him the kingmaker , next make him the kingmaker, next time around, which will be at the end of this month and it's going to be really, really interesting and acquires a day interesting and acquires a day in westminster today. jacob. >> well, it's thursday, so most people have scooted off to their constituencies, so not so much. >> still reeling from the defection yesterday. >> it's such a peculiar defection. nobody can work out why somebody as right wing as natalie would go to the labour

party. and i'm going to be speaking later to john mcternan , speaking later to john mcternan, who joked that i should join the labour party, i'd be welcome . labour party, i'd be welcome. and the funny thing is, the left has no sense of humour. they've gone. they are so cross with john and they're saying, how can youiane john and they're saying, how can you invite that awful man? >> even a rumour that they had to deny that somebody had said to deny that somebody had said to me i should join the labour party, perhaps we should join together. >> well, marvellous, you're covering that. >> you're also going to talk about smart metres. >> i am indeed, because this is about rationing. it's the opposite of business. what a business does is supply what its customers want, when business does is supply what its customers want , when they want customers want, when they want it, and charge for it at a price they'll pay at a price they'll pay- they'll pay at a price they'll pay. smart metres are about reducing demand so that people's houses are less comfortable and they use their electricity at less convenient times of day. and it's all for this green madness that we've got to get away from. that's right. i don't want my constituents to be cold and poor and i want them to lead the lives that they want to lead, not the lives they're told to. >> do you think that the debate

is turning? it feels like, is it? >> my it? >> my only it? >> my only disappointment is that o'shea was one of the most impressive people i dealt with whilst i was in government. he's absolutely on top of his brief. he understands it. he's a very effective businessman . he's effective businessman. he's a good operator in the corridors of whitehall. so it's a pity that he is not putting the interests of his customers first. but he's going for this mad green ideology. >> yeah, well, we won't be bullied by o'shea, and that's the way. no we won't. that's right. now, the really good news, folks, is that after six months of rain, the weather has finally turned . alex deakin, finally turned. alex deakin, please cheer us up. tell us what's coming for the next few days. >> looks like things are heating up . boxt boilers sponsors of up. boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news. >> good evening. welcome to your latest weather update from the met office here on gb news. another cracking day tomorrow if you like it. fine, warm and sunny. if anything, a little bit warmer than today with light

winds. thanks to this chunky area of high pressure. hasn't been fine everywhere today there has been these weather fronts just trickling across northern scotland , still bringing some scotland, still bringing some outbreaks of rain, particularly for caithness, sutherland and spreading across the northern isles. but a patchy rain at times across aberdeenshire too. but for most it's dry and fine out there. generally clear skies, a bit of mist and low cloud returning to parts of eastern england, and a few fog patches are possible in the south, where temperatures in the countryside could dip down to 3 or 4 celsius. most towns and cities there , starting tomorrow cities there, starting tomorrow at 10 or 11 celsius, and most will start tomorrow with plenty of sunshine. and for many it'll just stay that way. we will see again some misty conditions around a few coasts, particularly perhaps east anglia, east coast of northern ireland, southwest scotland and a bit more cloud moving into the western isles through the day. but any early rain across shetland should clear. for most, it's fine, sunny spells and warmer than today. 21 to 23, maybe 24 or even 25 and 1 or 2 locations. another fine day to

come on saturday. again, the possibility of some mist and low cloud affecting eastern coast. a small chance of 1 or 2 isolated but heavy showers over northern england and southern scotland, but for many, fine. again and if anything, a little warmer, 2425 degrees, a little cooler around some coasts. goodbye. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on

gb news. >> hello. good evening. it's me , >> hello. good evening. it's me, jacob rees—mogg on state of the nation. tonight. astrazeneca is withdrawing its vaccine worldwide after admitting in court papers it can cause a rare side effect. i was in government dunng side effect. i was in government during those dark days of lockdown and i'll be revealing what i think shortly . the what i think shortly. the westminster fallout continues after natalie elphicke shocked affection. i'll be discussing this with my panel and responding to a surprise

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