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pecker replied, yes. what's the significance there? >> so, chris, at the end of the trial, the judge is going to instruct the jury that the defense does not have to prove anything. it's the prosecution that has the heavy burden of proof, so mr. bove's shot is to plant reasonable doubt in the minds of the jurors. so his cross examination is trying to suggest to the jury that the prosecution's first witness is compromised, and thus, he's not credible. if he admits to wrongdoing, then he's going to lose money from this deal with trying to sell the "national enquirer" and that's also why mr. bove is focused on pecker's non-prosecution deal. he wants the jury to think that pecker is basically marching to alvin bragg's orders because pecker doesn't want to go to jail himself. so that's also why he told the jury that trump thanked -- that trump had thanked mr. pecker a few days before the inauguration even though mr. pecker earlier told the fbi that trump had not thanked him. so chris, for an effective cross exa
pecker replied, yes. what's the significance there? >> so, chris, at the end of the trial, the judge is going to instruct the jury that the defense does not have to prove anything. it's the prosecution that has the heavy burden of proof, so mr. bove's shot is to plant reasonable doubt in the minds of the jurors. so his cross examination is trying to suggest to the jury that the prosecution's first witness is compromised, and thus, he's not credible. if he admits to wrongdoing, then he's...
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and david pecker. so we'll see if we could see a second witness begin to take the stand even tomorrow afternoon, even better. >> one of the questions one of the first questions they asked for comments was so ami isn't a charity organization, is you're making a profit off of all of this really making him seem like this is about greed and that's all to get the jury thinking that they don't like this person. >> yeah. important point. it was interesting. i thought that kaitlyn that david pecker testified about a call with two top white house staffers at the time who picks and sarah huckabee sanders would that reveal as someone who covered the white house and remembers sarah sanders being at the white house briefing room where obviously all three of us have sat at one point, she had to deny allegations about karen mcdougal citing conversations that she had with donald trump to hear that review still today that there was a call with the national enquirer tabloid king, hope hicks and sarah sanders while they
and david pecker. so we'll see if we could see a second witness begin to take the stand even tomorrow afternoon, even better. >> one of the questions one of the first questions they asked for comments was so ami isn't a charity organization, is you're making a profit off of all of this really making him seem like this is about greed and that's all to get the jury thinking that they don't like this person. >> yeah. important point. it was interesting. i thought that kaitlyn that...
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pecker's testimony to establish mr. trump had purposes other than election-related purposes to kill negative store eaves about him. he is a celebrity in the public eye. the reputation is outrageously important and how about with his family and wife. now he is sitting on melania's birthday having those stories come forward. he wanted the stories killed. they are extortionist efforts in order to gather money to instead of putting forward these false stories. he wasn't in support of the karen mcdougal scenario he seems -- >> julie: a headline reads alvin] wants the 2016 election on trial. in opening remarks to the jury, prosecutor argued that trump is guilty of falsifying business records with the intent to conceal an illegal conspiracy to undermine the integrity of a presidential election. your thoughts. >> that statement will come back, julie, and haunt the prosecution. they are unable to prove it. we have been in this trial for four days and my distinguished colleagues on this panel, there is no crime. the one thing a p
pecker's testimony to establish mr. trump had purposes other than election-related purposes to kill negative store eaves about him. he is a celebrity in the public eye. the reputation is outrageously important and how about with his family and wife. now he is sitting on melania's birthday having those stories come forward. he wanted the stories killed. they are extortionist efforts in order to gather money to instead of putting forward these false stories. he wasn't in support of the karen...
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pecker, increase. how often were you in touch with michael cohen after trump announced his candidacy? pecker, maybe daily. one of the most interesting things that happens today with pecker is what's been public facing trump, cohen, stormy, macdougal. what happened today was trump, pecker, and everybody else. i mean, the chart of the hush money election interference, corporate criminal enterprise totally changed. >> and you really see the impact of pecker and the "national enquirer" and how it plays into kind of the center hub of media, politics, consumerism, and the fact that he's -- obviously, there's legal decisions, but it's a shame. because there was a real, real -- he was -- he was more of a fiction than michael cohen in certain ways. >> and more influential. what dawned on me, i wondered from the outside, pomeranz's book, you wonder what bragg did with the time between the first team that looks at the facts and the charging of trump. clearly what they did, with 22 meetings with michael cohen, the
pecker, increase. how often were you in touch with michael cohen after trump announced his candidacy? pecker, maybe daily. one of the most interesting things that happens today with pecker is what's been public facing trump, cohen, stormy, macdougal. what happened today was trump, pecker, and everybody else. i mean, the chart of the hush money election interference, corporate criminal enterprise totally changed. >> and you really see the impact of pecker and the "national...
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pecker said today he does not recall that fbi testimony. trump's lawyers also exposed that business deals may have served as a motivation for pecker to enter a nonprosecution agreement with the southern district of new york for campaign finance violations. pecker testified many of the negative stories he published about trump's opponents already existed in the public domain. he said running negative stories particularly about former president bill clinton and former secretary of state lloyd clinton was good for his business. court started this morning with trump's attorneys clarifying that questions about hick's presence at a trump tower meeting in 2015, pecker said she was in and out of that meeting and her presence is important because it would show a level of campaign involvement in those talks. now just before lunch pecker also spoke about his experience suppressing stories about arnold schwarzenegger and he said he learned from that experience because there was an investigation after he did that so he was much more careful while dealin
pecker said today he does not recall that fbi testimony. trump's lawyers also exposed that business deals may have served as a motivation for pecker to enter a nonprosecution agreement with the southern district of new york for campaign finance violations. pecker testified many of the negative stories he published about trump's opponents already existed in the public domain. he said running negative stories particularly about former president bill clinton and former secretary of state lloyd...
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pecker testified, they also tried to show how pecker had other reasons beyond just helping trump win the white house for running negative stories about trump's opponents. pecker testified that his magazine ran stories about bill and hillary clinton prior to the 20 trump tower meeting we're in agreement to help trump was allegedly breached running those stories was beneficial to ami pecker testified after his testimony wrapped up, prosecutors used the last few hours of the de to call two additional witnesses. >> the first was trump's long time assistants, rhona, let me add to call split's rhona graff was a fixture in trump's office for decades. >> she testified how before trump became president, she was his gatekeeper keeping close track of his contacts, emails, phone calls, and meetings. she told the jury it was a very stimulating exciting fascinating place to be there is no court on monday, so on tuesday they'll likely wrap up with michael cohen's a banker, and then it's not clear who the next big witness will be. they have not said a publicly. >> we're also waiting earned for the j
pecker testified, they also tried to show how pecker had other reasons beyond just helping trump win the white house for running negative stories about trump's opponents. pecker testified that his magazine ran stories about bill and hillary clinton prior to the 20 trump tower meeting we're in agreement to help trump was allegedly breached running those stories was beneficial to ami pecker testified after his testimony wrapped up, prosecutors used the last few hours of the de to call two...
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he also tried to catch david pecker in some inconsistencies in here his testimony, david pecker has been cooperating with prosecutors, the federal prosecutors and the district attorney's office for several years now. and so they were focusing on remember, the testimony about a january 2017 meeting at trump tower that david pecker walked into all donald trump was finishing up a meeting with some of with the f then cia director james comey and others and during this meeting is when david pecker testified that there was that he had a conversation so what donald trump donald trump thanked him for taking care of the doorman's story in the karen mcdougal story so donald trump's attorneys pressed him on notes from previous interview had given with investigators. and in that interview notes he said, according to the fbi's nodes, that david pecker told them that donald trump did not express any gratitude david pecker dug in on that today saying that the fbi knows were wrong and that his testimony over the past few days is that correct accurate testimony? so a lot of back and forth over different
he also tried to catch david pecker in some inconsistencies in here his testimony, david pecker has been cooperating with prosecutors, the federal prosecutors and the district attorney's office for several years now. and so they were focusing on remember, the testimony about a january 2017 meeting at trump tower that david pecker walked into all donald trump was finishing up a meeting with some of with the f then cia director james comey and others and during this meeting is when david pecker...
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but again pecker did not say trump told him that. pecker did not say that trump was furious. he said only that it was cohen telling him that. so that should be a major part of this case. we'll see if the defense attorney asks him about that during the cross examination. >> dana: over to you, shannon. >> shannon: let's bring in jerry baker, "wall street journal" editor at large. you have a couple of very piercing editorials. the headline, alvin bragg wants the 2016 election on trial. prosecutors are trying to spin a bookkeeping charge as a vast trump election conspiracy. while it has been salacious and interesting and provocative, you all don't think there has been a criminal charge proven. can alvin bragg get there? >> who knows? he has a very friendly jury in a friendly jurisdiction in manhattan, a deep blue part of the country. we'll have to wait and see. in terms of the actual law, shannon, you know this better than i, this is -- the case he is trying to make here as the journal said today in it's editorial is relitigate the election to say that somehow that any candidate
but again pecker did not say trump told him that. pecker did not say that trump was furious. he said only that it was cohen telling him that. so that should be a major part of this case. we'll see if the defense attorney asks him about that during the cross examination. >> dana: over to you, shannon. >> shannon: let's bring in jerry baker, "wall street journal" editor at large. you have a couple of very piercing editorials. the headline, alvin bragg wants the 2016 election...
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helped more. >> david pecker definitely helped the prosecution out because they laid out david pecker hur laid out the foundation. he gave us the background information, and he also changed the narrative. this is not just hush money case. we're talking about the purpose of this money. of killing di stories. what's that help this campaign? and you're hearing it from someone that i think was relatable to this jury. i think the jury's going to find him credible, find, and believable. so mendel, he was engaging in these catching kill schemes and when we go into a supermarket used to see the national enquirer be like, oh, my god. and now we know how that gets to be the front page of the paper. you got the information that this is exactly how it worked out when it came to donald trump and when it came to michael cohen. and this is something that i think the jury in plain terms, are able to digest and they don't know how to apply this information. but shortly after closing arguments and though extra read back to get more of his testimony, read back, there'll be able to put it all together. s
helped more. >> david pecker definitely helped the prosecution out because they laid out david pecker hur laid out the foundation. he gave us the background information, and he also changed the narrative. this is not just hush money case. we're talking about the purpose of this money. of killing di stories. what's that help this campaign? and you're hearing it from someone that i think was relatable to this jury. i think the jury's going to find him credible, find, and believable. so...
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. >> david pecker. the first witness in the new york case. >> all right, good morning, everybody. welcome to "morning joe." it's wednesday, april 24th. along with willie and me we have a member of the "the new york times" editorial board maya and sam stein. our top story has to do with pecker. >> i think you're enjoying saying his name. testimony in donald trump's hush money criminal trial is scheduled to resume tomorrow after several key developments in court yesterday. first, the judge held a hearing at the start of tuesday's proceedings on whether the former president had violated his gag order. prosecutors have asked the judge to fine him $1,000 for each violation. trump's attorney said he hasn't violated the order. he was, quote, being careful about complying with the order. but the judge expressed extreme frustration with that argument, telling his attorney saying, quote, losing all credibility with the court. any violation of the gag order in articles he repost to social media is unintentional. >
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david pecker will be back. he spoke for about 30 minutes or so in testimony yesterday after those opening statements. anything that stuck out to you and just how important is he to this case? >> david pecker may in fact be the people's star witness and not michael cohen. david pecker may ultimately be a better witness for a few different reasons. number one, he has some baggage, but he doesn't have the baggage of a michael cohen. number two, he's going to lay the foundation of this pre-existing relationship and this catch and kill arrangement. and that's going to match up to a lot of documents that the state is going to introduce. number three, he was a friend of donald trump's. so his testimony may be more credible for that reason. he may be testifying about something we're not anticipating, and it might be about a direct conversation with donald trump, because, remember, that there were these entries in business records can be shown from the records with the state, with the people need to show is donald trump
david pecker will be back. he spoke for about 30 minutes or so in testimony yesterday after those opening statements. anything that stuck out to you and just how important is he to this case? >> david pecker may in fact be the people's star witness and not michael cohen. david pecker may ultimately be a better witness for a few different reasons. number one, he has some baggage, but he doesn't have the baggage of a michael cohen. number two, he's going to lay the foundation of this...
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>> david pecker? >> yeah. >> i felt there were some partings of what he was saying were credible, but he was definitely more inclined to help the former president. >> definitely sounded pro trump throughout his entire thing. >> what was it he said or what was it about his demeanor, hope, that made you think he wanted to help donald trump? >> throughout his entire interview basically, he was talking a lot about, oh, yes, they were, we were referring to the boss, mr. trump. and lots of pro trump language throughout his entire argument. and social studies class, we learn a lot about bias and bias in the media and bias in all different sorts of stories. so it was very interesting to hear how someone actually in court was showing the same bias that we've seen in the media sometimes. >> testimony, also -- >> go ahead, owen. sorry. >> okay. his testimony also reflected how crucial this whole case michael cohen is and will be when he takes the stand in a few weeks. >> i have to ask you both very quickly, what
>> david pecker? >> yeah. >> i felt there were some partings of what he was saying were credible, but he was definitely more inclined to help the former president. >> definitely sounded pro trump throughout his entire thing. >> what was it he said or what was it about his demeanor, hope, that made you think he wanted to help donald trump? >> throughout his entire interview basically, he was talking a lot about, oh, yes, they were, we were referring to the...
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david pecker. we'll be right back how would really happened sunday at nine on cnn. >> you know, when i take the bike out like this, all my stress is just melt away. >> i hear that is bad. boy can fix anything yeah. >> tough day at work, nice cruises sorts. >> you write out when i'm writing, i'm not even thinking about my painful cavity he shouldn't ignore it. and every time i get stressed about having to pay my bills hop. on the bike, man, i'll come on. >> you got to pay your bills. >> you don't have to worry about anything when you're protected by america's number one motorcycle insurer? >> well, you definitely do those things aren't related so that is a vibrating pain at morgan stanley old-school hard work meets ball new thinking to help you see untapped possibilities and relax leslie, work with you to make them real okay. yeah, we got orders coming in, starting a business is never easy. a star near eight months pregnant that's a different story. sorry. >> i couldn't slow down. we were starting a
david pecker. we'll be right back how would really happened sunday at nine on cnn. >> you know, when i take the bike out like this, all my stress is just melt away. >> i hear that is bad. boy can fix anything yeah. >> tough day at work, nice cruises sorts. >> you write out when i'm writing, i'm not even thinking about my painful cavity he shouldn't ignore it. and every time i get stressed about having to pay my bills hop. on the bike, man, i'll come on. >> you got...
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they've been so good, the pecker headlines. it's been amusing. but pecker back today. lisa rubin, the interesting point i think danny was building on, and your thoughts on what you expect today, you saw in the pecker testimony him really laying out plans for certain stories. even saying about a story that turned out not to be that -- not to really have legs was about the doorman and some baby, illegitimate child, and how he'd wait until after the election to put that story out if he could get more on it. showing really that they were framing everything they were doing around the election. >> he said it had to do with the election. it wasn't to protect trump personally, like they were saying. everything was timed for the election. >> exactly. lisa, with that in mind, what are you looking for today? >> i'm looking for more evidence, mika, of direct conversations between pecker and trump. he started in august 2015 at trump tower. he ended the other day starting to talk about a phone call they had in june 2016 when trump called him up to say michael cohen had informed him
they've been so good, the pecker headlines. it's been amusing. but pecker back today. lisa rubin, the interesting point i think danny was building on, and your thoughts on what you expect today, you saw in the pecker testimony him really laying out plans for certain stories. even saying about a story that turned out not to be that -- not to really have legs was about the doorman and some baby, illegitimate child, and how he'd wait until after the election to put that story out if he could get...
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so you were pecker's communications chief at ami, right? so you worked with them, you saw him, you know how all of this worked in intimate detail? so pass her testified today, he told trump he'd be as eyes and ears during the campaign. so as you're seeing the transcript of exactly what he said today, what stood out to you as you heard pecker describe the way catch and kill worked, which was pretty amazing. >> so until now, it's only been speculated how it really worked. >> but clear really outlined it under oath today, how it will play it out and the benefit to him. obviously, it was incurring goodwill with trump and having that access to him and vice-versa burring bad stories about trump highlighting his good stuff and bearing his enemies. so it was like a mutual in their minds, a win-win, i can help you. you helped me and that's pretty much how pecker operated all along. then why the inquirer has the reputation that it has. >> so stay seat to this. i know there was a key testimony for you about how trump to this agreement, this catch and
so you were pecker's communications chief at ami, right? so you worked with them, you saw him, you know how all of this worked in intimate detail? so pass her testified today, he told trump he'd be as eyes and ears during the campaign. so as you're seeing the transcript of exactly what he said today, what stood out to you as you heard pecker describe the way catch and kill worked, which was pretty amazing. >> so until now, it's only been speculated how it really worked. >> but clear...
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pecker allows them to do that. then they have to put in witnesses who will have to walk through some of the routine legal things like how do you get into the documents for let's bring in the banker. how do you verify it is his email server? you bring in his assistance but having pecker as the first witness gives them a road map of where they are going and i think the trump team knew it wasn't going to be michael cohen first. there was no antagonistic fireworks right away. they were careful with pecker to not beat him up on the stand. he still considers donald trump a friend. i am interesting -- i think it will be fascinating. she, again, has known him for so long. she was working at star magazine that she goes way back with donald trump. >> she was in that crucial meeting in august 2015 where they cooked up this plan where david pecker would be the eyes and ears of the campaign and she was walking in and out of the meeting. what did she hear? i think that will go to corroborate michael cohen when he gets on the ste
pecker allows them to do that. then they have to put in witnesses who will have to walk through some of the routine legal things like how do you get into the documents for let's bring in the banker. how do you verify it is his email server? you bring in his assistance but having pecker as the first witness gives them a road map of where they are going and i think the trump team knew it wasn't going to be michael cohen first. there was no antagonistic fireworks right away. they were careful with...
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pecker, yes. and the fact that pecker agreed to not publish a story about a playboy model's year-long alleged affair with a presidential candidate is only further proof this is not just about doing good business because pecker admitted such a story would have been, quote, "national enquirer" gold. the prosecution asked, at the time you entered into the agreement, you had zero intention of publication even if it would have helped the bottom line. you killed it because it would have hurt president trump. to which pecker answered, correct. and before the court wrapped for the week, the jury heard from two other witnesses, first was trump's longtime assistant and gate keeper, rhona graff, for a brief line of questioning authenticating both karen mcdougal and stormy daniels' contact information were in trump's computer. during cross-examination, she did admit to hearing conversations about daniels potentially being thought of as a contestant for celebrity apprentice. the other witness is much more obsc
pecker, yes. and the fact that pecker agreed to not publish a story about a playboy model's year-long alleged affair with a presidential candidate is only further proof this is not just about doing good business because pecker admitted such a story would have been, quote, "national enquirer" gold. the prosecution asked, at the time you entered into the agreement, you had zero intention of publication even if it would have helped the bottom line. you killed it because it would have...
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pecker says, yes. steinglass says, did either you or ami every report to the federal election commission in 2016 that ami had made a $150,000 payment to karen mcdougal. pecker said as no, we did not. >> steinglass asked, why did in my make this purchase of karen mcdougal story pecker, we purchased the story so it wouldn't be published by any organization steinglass. >> and why did you not want it to be published by any other organization? pecker? >> i didn't want we didn't want the story to embarrass mr. trump or embarrassed or hurt the campaign. and that's just one of the many times where pecker in direct basically said this was for the campaign, not for a personal reason. >> it's incredibly important because as we keep hearing from this gentleman, like what's the crime here? there's the crime that this is an illegal campaign contribution that is funneled through funneled through ami american media, the national enquirer for the benefit of donald charles. >> i was at a campaign contribution because it
pecker says, yes. steinglass says, did either you or ami every report to the federal election commission in 2016 that ami had made a $150,000 payment to karen mcdougal. pecker said as no, we did not. >> steinglass asked, why did in my make this purchase of karen mcdougal story pecker, we purchased the story so it wouldn't be published by any organization steinglass. >> and why did you not want it to be published by any other organization? pecker? >> i didn't want we didn't...
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, and we know pecker didn't have any conversation with trump about this. there is no direct conversation. so that he assumed it, i would have been on my feet and objected, but this judge is not going to sustain a rightful objection by donald trump. and finally, how is it that pecker is going forward alleging all of this when he said nothing. a nondisclosure, noncompete, i mean, that is something that is part of the law. i'll tell you why. pecker has signed an immunity agreement and these prosecutors are so tough -- whether it is the department of justice and joe biden sent down to the local d.a. to help, pecker knows if he goes one line away from what he is supposed to say, his butt will be shipped to the state prison. it's a nothing burger. >> greg: dana, we talked about this before that it is hard to follow all of these cases but that is the purpose. >> dana: basically flood the zone come if you know that turn. >> greg: where is that from, sports? water polo? >> dana: maybe the water park. i actually don't know. anyway, more to come in "one more thing" o
, and we know pecker didn't have any conversation with trump about this. there is no direct conversation. so that he assumed it, i would have been on my feet and objected, but this judge is not going to sustain a rightful objection by donald trump. and finally, how is it that pecker is going forward alleging all of this when he said nothing. a nondisclosure, noncompete, i mean, that is something that is part of the law. i'll tell you why. pecker has signed an immunity agreement and these...
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let's talk about the role of david pecker. his credibility, once it's evaluated by the jurors -- he was the first witness and the feature witness of the trial so far -- is to take some of the burden to of michael cohen, who is obviously -- has damage connected to him being convicted and having admitted to perjury in the past and served time for that. >> right. that's baked into the calculation with michael cohen. he is a difficult witness. the government can't hug him too hard. he was donald trump's pick not prosecutor's pick. we are seeing this process that defense lawyer goes through in cross-examination. as vaughn said, they can't argue the evidence when they are cross-examining the witness. they are collecting coins that they hope will turn out to be valuable in closing argument when they can go back and argue to the jury. you can't really believe these people, they are not credible. >> the other thing, catherine, is this gag order hearing. judge merchan set it for next thursday. that's another week before dealing with the
let's talk about the role of david pecker. his credibility, once it's evaluated by the jurors -- he was the first witness and the feature witness of the trial so far -- is to take some of the burden to of michael cohen, who is obviously -- has damage connected to him being convicted and having admitted to perjury in the past and served time for that. >> right. that's baked into the calculation with michael cohen. he is a difficult witness. the government can't hug him too hard. he was...
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pecker's testimony resumes thursday. trump today complaining he's stuck in court, while president biden is out on the campaign trail. >> they're keeping me in a courtroom that's freezing, by the way. he's out campaigning, and i'm here in a courtroom, sitting here, giving -- sitting up as straight as i can all day long, because, you know what? it's a very unfair situation. >> reporter: before today's testimony, prosecutors accused trump of repeatedly violating the judge's gag order, attacking witnesses, even potential jurors. and they said it's posing a very real threat to the trial. the defense insisted trump is complying but the judge interjected "you're losing credibi credibility." no immediate ruling from the judge but prosecutors said, david, it's almost as if trump is daring the judge to hold him in contempt and throw him in jail. and tonight, sources tell abc news the secret service is preparing for that possibility. david? >> david: aaron katersky leading us off here tonight. aaron, thank you. >>> we turn now to t
pecker's testimony resumes thursday. trump today complaining he's stuck in court, while president biden is out on the campaign trail. >> they're keeping me in a courtroom that's freezing, by the way. he's out campaigning, and i'm here in a courtroom, sitting here, giving -- sitting up as straight as i can all day long, because, you know what? it's a very unfair situation. >> reporter: before today's testimony, prosecutors accused trump of repeatedly violating the judge's gag order,...
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as trump is signing them, pecker testifies he's simultaneously holding a conversation with pecker but also looking closely at the checks and signing them. so pecker definitely undermined blanche there, but i also want to distinguish between what i'll call the precursor to the crime and the crime itself. remember, what trump has been charged with here is 34 felony counts of falsification of business records. the conspiracy to throw the election is what makes that a felony, but the crimes itself is the falsification of the business records. david pecker's knowledge primarily pertains to that antecedent, the conspiracy. he wasn't around for the second part of the scheme. we're going to have to rely on other witnesses, other evidence, and largely michael cohen and business records to get to the evidence that proves that second part of the criminal activity that is necessary here. yes, the conspiracy is necessary to make it a felony, but first yaw got to find that trump actually intended to and knew that he was participating in falsification of business records. >> i want to play something
as trump is signing them, pecker testifies he's simultaneously holding a conversation with pecker but also looking closely at the checks and signing them. so pecker definitely undermined blanche there, but i also want to distinguish between what i'll call the precursor to the crime and the crime itself. remember, what trump has been charged with here is 34 felony counts of falsification of business records. the conspiracy to throw the election is what makes that a felony, but the crimes itself...
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what you heard from david pecker was about that agreement, that donald trump, david pecker, and michael cohen had to unlawfully influence the election. and they talked about and testified about this 2016 meeting where they anticipated that women may come forward and have damaging stories about trump that could hurt the campaign. david pecker testified that he was going to be the eyes and ears of this campaign, and that he was going to alert michael cohen and the campaign about anything that would be damaging so, to make sure those stories didn't see the light of day. however, what is really significant, for the conversations pecker testified, dealing directly with donald trump. both before the election and after the election. before the election, testified about talking to him about the story, trying to kill the story with karen mcdougal. after the election, he testified about conversations where donald trump thanked him for making sure those damaging stories did not see the light of day. the defense tried to act as though this was all business as usual, but that really backfired, becau
what you heard from david pecker was about that agreement, that donald trump, david pecker, and michael cohen had to unlawfully influence the election. and they talked about and testified about this 2016 meeting where they anticipated that women may come forward and have damaging stories about trump that could hurt the campaign. david pecker testified that he was going to be the eyes and ears of this campaign, and that he was going to alert michael cohen and the campaign about anything that...
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former "national enquirer" ceo david pecker. the defense spent hours trying to trip him up, catch him in contradictions, even introducing several instances where they say pecker's recollection of key events had changed over time. but the prosecution got the last word before lunch, getting pecker to admit that karen mcdougal's story would have been "national enquirer" gold, and his decision not to run it was purely to help donald trump. joining me now, nbc's vaughn hillyard outside the courthouse, former federal prosecutor paul butler is back with me. former assistant new york attorney general tristan snell is in studio, and jeremy soland, criminal defense attorney and former manhattan prosecutor. i'm going to start with you because you're a defense attorney and you're new to this table. it's a challenge, right, no matter how many times the defense keeps going back and back and back to david pecker, trying to show this wasn't about the campaign, which is what you did, this is standard operating procedure, they said that over and
former "national enquirer" ceo david pecker. the defense spent hours trying to trip him up, catch him in contradictions, even introducing several instances where they say pecker's recollection of key events had changed over time. but the prosecution got the last word before lunch, getting pecker to admit that karen mcdougal's story would have been "national enquirer" gold, and his decision not to run it was purely to help donald trump. joining me now, nbc's vaughn hillyard...
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pecker? we purchased the story so it wouldn't be published by any organization. >> steinglass. and why did you not want it to be published by any other organization? pecker? i didn't want we didn't want the story to embarrass mr. trump or embarrassed or hur's the campaign. and that's just one of the many times where pecker is indirect. basically said this was for the campaign, not for a personal reason. it's incredibly important because as we keep hearing from this gentleman, like what's the crime here? there's the crime that this is an illegal campaign contribution that is funneled through funneled through ami american media, the national enquirer for the benefit of donald trouser, house of a campaign contribution. because it's money spent for the benefit of the campaign. oh, come on. you don't think that's pecker gave some really important testimony today about that where he said that when it got close to the campaign, trump express concern about stories coming out about allegations of affa
pecker? we purchased the story so it wouldn't be published by any organization. >> steinglass. and why did you not want it to be published by any other organization? pecker? i didn't want we didn't want the story to embarrass mr. trump or embarrassed or hur's the campaign. and that's just one of the many times where pecker is indirect. basically said this was for the campaign, not for a personal reason. it's incredibly important because as we keep hearing from this gentleman, like what's...
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david pecker responded, that's right. of course, at the heart of the charges here, falsifying business records, is specifically the stormy daniels payment and the reimbursement of michael cohen by donald trump. and what david pecker is now saying is that he never intended to be a part of the stormy daniels story here in the first place. another aspect of this here is the fact that they are going through some of the prior meetings that david pecker had testified about. one of them that they're currently discussing now is david pecker on january of 2017 walking into a trump tower meeting, just weeks before donald trump was sworn in as president, a meeting that included the likes of reince priebus, sean spicer and james comey and they're getting into the gritty details of exactly what david pecker's role is a part of all of these meetings was and the extent to which donald trump was using these opportunities to ensure the silence of some of these key figures. jose? >> this is a continuing issue, this meeting and as well as o
david pecker responded, that's right. of course, at the heart of the charges here, falsifying business records, is specifically the stormy daniels payment and the reimbursement of michael cohen by donald trump. and what david pecker is now saying is that he never intended to be a part of the stormy daniels story here in the first place. another aspect of this here is the fact that they are going through some of the prior meetings that david pecker had testified about. one of them that they're...
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pecker. >> i think that's right on. i think pecker certainly comes off -- he introduced this whole scheme. that's giving us an introduction to what the juries are about to hear for the next six weeks. it is also someone that i think has a favorable view of trump and has been a longtime friend of trump. it's going to be interesting to see how trump's attorneys choose to cross him when they do, whether that be tomorrow or friday. sometime later this week. he is also coming off in a way that's quite grandfatherly. i think it's going to be interesting to see what they choose to approach him on, on cross examination. >> michael steele, i just kept thinking that this is a man who -- i'm not there to absorb the grandfatherly touches. he was the most eligible bachelor. he was never that. he was married. three times but still almost always married. it's going to be awkward to try to discredit him without also discrediting all of the lovely things he said about donald trump. >> yeah. it's one of those dynamics when you are lookin
pecker. >> i think that's right on. i think pecker certainly comes off -- he introduced this whole scheme. that's giving us an introduction to what the juries are about to hear for the next six weeks. it is also someone that i think has a favorable view of trump and has been a longtime friend of trump. it's going to be interesting to see how trump's attorneys choose to cross him when they do, whether that be tomorrow or friday. sometime later this week. he is also coming off in a way...
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today. >> so david pecker will be back on the stand. he will be continuing with cross-examinati on. you are expecting that the prosecution to redirect after that, correct absolutely. >> yeah. of course. they get that option before we even maybe see who the next witness is redirected fact, it's very unclear, actually it david pecker will finish today. i mean, it is a full court today, so it's very likely he will, but we don't really quite know the timing just yet but we are waiting to see, like you said, sarah, who is the next witness, is it someone who deals with the accounting inside ami or within the trump organization or is it michael cohen, another quite arguably the star witness for the prosecution so we'll have to wait and see. of course, we don't know because they are not giving away that witness lists or rather the order of that witness list. this ahead of time because of the fear that donald trump will post about them on social media and such. so we'll standby all right. >> brand jin grass standing by for court to resume. appre
today. >> so david pecker will be back on the stand. he will be continuing with cross-examinati on. you are expecting that the prosecution to redirect after that, correct absolutely. >> yeah. of course. they get that option before we even maybe see who the next witness is redirected fact, it's very unclear, actually it david pecker will finish today. i mean, it is a full court today, so it's very likely he will, but we don't really quite know the timing just yet but we are waiting...
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quite the testimony there, from pecker. you had trump's attorney trying to pierce his credibility, making the case whether the former editor published these salacious stories about celebrities purchased them for future leverage he did so purely to improve his company's bottom line. is that something that stands in court? >> i think that pecker was a pretty strong witness. and given his intimate knowledge of how everything worked, and his relationship with donald trump over the years he came across as credible. i don't think donald trump's defense team really made a dent in his testimony. and by the time they get to closing arguments i think the highlights of testimony will be what the jurors remember. and, the fact that he was such a strong prosecution witness, pretty calm and collected going to the whole thing on the witness stand. he was pretty unflappable. you know, it's interesting to watch how donald trump is reacting to this. that was his friend. he didn't attack him unlike other witnesses. i wonder why. pecker knows
quite the testimony there, from pecker. you had trump's attorney trying to pierce his credibility, making the case whether the former editor published these salacious stories about celebrities purchased them for future leverage he did so purely to improve his company's bottom line. is that something that stands in court? >> i think that pecker was a pretty strong witness. and given his intimate knowledge of how everything worked, and his relationship with donald trump over the years he...
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pecker responded on no. so how does that help bolster the case that this was potentially criminal interference in the presidential election. >> yeah. was that the timing of that? particular meeting helps do it because there'll be right around the time we would expect that trump would be contemplating his run gearing up for the run, worried about potential negative press and i completely agree with kaitlan here. this is the start of a story that it's really going to be extending throughout this trial. it's not actually the crux of the criminal case. the crux of the criminal case concerns how and why stormy daniels was paid through michael cohen. that's gonna be the main event for the jurors. with this is all crucial context with the jury's to understand all of everything that leads as three microbreweries with us as well. a former us attorney, michael, let's talk a little bit about pecker's testimony. he said trump was quote, frugal in his approach to money. frugal, a direct quote personally reviewing all exp
pecker responded on no. so how does that help bolster the case that this was potentially criminal interference in the presidential election. >> yeah. was that the timing of that? particular meeting helps do it because there'll be right around the time we would expect that trump would be contemplating his run gearing up for the run, worried about potential negative press and i completely agree with kaitlan here. this is the start of a story that it's really going to be extending throughout...
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was paying trump money, and it shows trump trusts pecker, so when trump goes to pecker, and this testimony will come out, about covering up various sorted issues that he thinks will interfere with the election, pecker is somebody he could count on. we will see what will develop in the testimony. i cannot imagine it will end today and will probably go on until tomorrow. >> what about this whole gag order and the issues that have been brought up to the court this morning, the judge apparently has not ruled on that, but how do you see that? >> it's interesting, josÉ. every judge that i have spoken to has said they would not lock trump up. judges are very reluctant to do that, but he will reach a point where if trump continues to violate the gag order and it certainly appears he did violate the gag order, he will have to do something. as chuck rosenberg said earlier, sequestering the jury is a difficult thing because it's harmful to a juror. sometimes it facilitates a quicker verdict because the jurors just want to go home. so marchand will have to do something, and it's something he could tr
was paying trump money, and it shows trump trusts pecker, so when trump goes to pecker, and this testimony will come out, about covering up various sorted issues that he thinks will interfere with the election, pecker is somebody he could count on. we will see what will develop in the testimony. i cannot imagine it will end today and will probably go on until tomorrow. >> what about this whole gag order and the issues that have been brought up to the court this morning, the judge...
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pecker said today he believed mr. trump or his company had paid daniels until cohen told him in december of 2016 that he was the one who paid her. prosecutors are seeking to prove mr. trump doctored internal business records to cover up that payment. pecker also testified trump was aghast when he saw stormy daniels on "60 minutes." >> was it hush money to stay silent? >> yes. >> reporter: pecker says trump called him. he says we have an agreement with stormy daniels that she cannot mention my name. trump later denied knowledge of the arrangement. on cross-examination, mr. trump's lawyers challenging pecker's credibility and business practices. at a campaign event earlier in the day, mr. trump addressed the testimony of his long-time friend. >> david has been very nice. a nice guy. >> did you give the payment to stormy daniels before the 2020 election? >> reporter: pecker also testifying today about a payment his company did make to former "playboy" model karen mcdougal to keep her alleged affair with mr. trump quiet.
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they focused on a key august 2015 meeting at trump tower with pecker& trump and cohen were pecker said he agreed to be the eyes and ears for the trump campaign, flagging any negative stories about trump to michael cohen the defense asked, did you ever are specifically use the term catch and kill in the meeting and pecker replied, no, i did not but then under redirect questioning from the prosecution, pecker reiterated the contents of the 2015 meeting, saying my understanding is those stories that come up, i would speak to michael cohen and tell them these are the stories that are going to be for sale that if we don't buy them somebody else will and then michael cohen would handle by them or trying to make sure that they don't ever get published unquote. so even if the term catch and kill wasn't used you wrote a book called catch and kill. is that not catching gill that is the definition of this colloquial term that has emerged around this catch and kill, which was a term that i and other journalists around this first started during from ami employees it was something of what's called a
they focused on a key august 2015 meeting at trump tower with pecker& trump and cohen were pecker said he agreed to be the eyes and ears for the trump campaign, flagging any negative stories about trump to michael cohen the defense asked, did you ever are specifically use the term catch and kill in the meeting and pecker replied, no, i did not but then under redirect questioning from the prosecution, pecker reiterated the contents of the 2015 meeting, saying my understanding is those...
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pecker. that's the jury like? what's donald trump like in that room? >> well, i would say everybody is really attentive today, which hasn't always as you know been the case. donald trump's attention kind of fluctuates. he has come in on days and been extraordinarily bored. but when the subject is donald trump and donald trump directly, he stands at attention and he was very curious to hear how david pecker would describe his relationship. i would say his expression for the most part was fairly even. he was neither snarling at pecker as he sometimes does when he heads down the aisle and exits the courtroom and sees the press assembled, but he wasn't exactly friendly. my best recollection of the interaction was when pecker came into the courtroom yesterday and donald trump was almost like leaning around the table so he could get as close a look at david pecker's face as he could. it was as if he were daring pecker, you knew me for decades. make eye contact with me now. and pecker didn't seem to
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pecker responds yes. for the first time in the public record, we're getting david pecker corroborating what michael cohen for years has now articulated about that meeting. to note, hope hicks could well be a witness. pecker has testified hope hicks was in and out of this meeting. so we could very well get more corroborating testimony as it pertains to that exact meeting in trump tower in august of 2015. >> so chuck, is this the beginning of trying to build up the credibility of michael cohen? who was obviously a flawed witness. a convicted admitted perjurer. >> building up mr. cohen's credibility, andrea, might be a long walk through dry sand. he's a criminal and a liar, but that doesn't mean he's not telling the truth here at trial. so what you're really trying to do is corroborate him. and by the way, i have said this before, in many years as a prosecutor, i wish all of my witnesses were nuns and librarians but they're not the ones who are around when crimes are committed. this may sound trite and it ma
pecker responds yes. for the first time in the public record, we're getting david pecker corroborating what michael cohen for years has now articulated about that meeting. to note, hope hicks could well be a witness. pecker has testified hope hicks was in and out of this meeting. so we could very well get more corroborating testimony as it pertains to that exact meeting in trump tower in august of 2015. >> so chuck, is this the beginning of trying to build up the credibility of michael...
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and pecker gibbs prosecutors, what they want. he's going to testify hi to that. >> we also saw this hearing this morning where it was discussed whether trump violated a gag order which prevents him from talking publicly about witnesses in jurors in the case. the penalty is a. $1,000 per offense. explain why it's seems like small change for him. >> a lot of people have asked me about that as well, briana and $1,000 seems really small, but look, it's set by new york law in new york judiciary loss 7501 sets $1,000 per instance. so per statement, per comment, whatever or and, or it could be either 30 days in jail. now, it wouldn't be uncommon for a judge to start low and then work their way up to jail because you also have to remember donald trump in this case has not been formally sanctioned. it's all the other cases where he's had gag orders and so on. so it's not so surprising that that he's talking about this is what the prosecutors have asked for. they've asked for fines. now if donald trump is sanctioned, if there is one statem
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this idea of friends of pecker, fops, a friend of pecker, so trump gets a free ride. it is nothing to do with journalism. in fact, david pecker is revealing himself not to be a news man. he's an advertiser, a marketering, and his product was donald trump. >> when he gave him something about an estimate of $3 million a month of free advertising. he created a magazine that was a quarterly magazine that's literally just about donald trump. he was talking about it in these weird reverential terms. he was asked what can you do to help the campaign? he's oh, i know what i can do. we're going to find all these negative stories. >> your, quote, eyes and ears. and michael cohen was the go between. to your point, this is setting up the cohen testimony. >> how is that a crime? that's what the prosecutor has to prove. catch and kill is unseemly, gross, but it's not illegal. >> that's why the new york statute that was previewed previously in the motions that were dealt with prior to this case surviving the motions to dismiss, because you know, this is important. trials don't just
this idea of friends of pecker, fops, a friend of pecker, so trump gets a free ride. it is nothing to do with journalism. in fact, david pecker is revealing himself not to be a news man. he's an advertiser, a marketering, and his product was donald trump. >> when he gave him something about an estimate of $3 million a month of free advertising. he created a magazine that was a quarterly magazine that's literally just about donald trump. he was talking about it in these weird reverential...
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pecker said today he believed mr. trump or his company had paid daniels until cohen told him in december of 2016 that he was the one who paid her. prosecutors are seeking to prove mr. trump doctored internal business records to cover up that payment. pecker also testified trump was aghast when he saw stormy daniels on 60 minutes. >> was it hush money to stay silent? >> yes. >> reporter: pecker said trump called him. he said we have an agreement with stormy daniels that she cannot mention my name. trump later denied knowledge of the arrangement. on cross-examination, mr. trump's lawyers challenging credibility and business practice. at a campaign event earlier in the day mr. trump addressed the testimony of his longtime friend. >> david has been a nice guy. >> did you know about the payment to stormy daniels before the 2020 election? >> reporter: pecker also testified today about the payment his company did make the former playboy model karen mcdougal to keep her alleged affair with mr. trump quiet. pecker said he coor
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pecker? >> mr. pecker was a solid first witness for the government on direct. but on cross, you sometimes learn a little bit more about a witness. the approach yesterday, as far as it got, was pretty soft. there wasn't any effort to, you know, go hard with this witness, and there may ultimately not be. this is a witness who says he considers the president a friend. trump has been remarkably restrained about talking about david pecker in public. it may be the cross-examination strategy will be to expose the limits of this witness' testimony. he tells a lot of the story about catch and kill to elect the president, but what he doesn't do, necessarily, is put trump in the room or know what was inside of trump's mind. so what we may see on cross-examination today is more of an effort to reign in the impact that his testimony has on the jury when it comes to donald trump and what he thought, knew, and did. >> we will be watching. former u.s. attorney joyce vance, thank you so much, as always. >>> susan glasser, getting back to your piece about "king donald's day at t
pecker? >> mr. pecker was a solid first witness for the government on direct. but on cross, you sometimes learn a little bit more about a witness. the approach yesterday, as far as it got, was pretty soft. there wasn't any effort to, you know, go hard with this witness, and there may ultimately not be. this is a witness who says he considers the president a friend. trump has been remarkably restrained about talking about david pecker in public. it may be the cross-examination strategy...
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pecker. we will talk about how that went in just a second, but today we got to see the prosecution second witness. someone who worked closely with donald trump for decades, including on tv. >> hi, good morning, this is mr. trump's office. >> hi, good morning. mr. trump would like to meet you at 9:00 at tavern on the green. >> good morning, it is rhona calling. mr. trump is meeting with miss universe at trump model management. do you think you'll be ready? >> we can do it. thanks, rhona. >> thanks, rhona. rhona graff, donald trump's longtime executive assistant and occasional costar on the apprentice. the prosecution appears to have called her because she is the person who handled trump's calendar and contacts and email, which trump himself does not use. ms. graf appeared in court under subpoena and testified her legal bills were being paid for by the trump organization, even though she does not work there anymore. so while rhona graff was not a hostile witness, it is a safe bet she didn't rea
pecker. we will talk about how that went in just a second, but today we got to see the prosecution second witness. someone who worked closely with donald trump for decades, including on tv. >> hi, good morning, this is mr. trump's office. >> hi, good morning. mr. trump would like to meet you at 9:00 at tavern on the green. >> good morning, it is rhona calling. mr. trump is meeting with miss universe at trump model management. do you think you'll be ready? >> we can do...
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one, this was not pecker's first rodeo. and two, pecker was always serving pecker. in other words, the primary purpose of this payment had nothing to do with benefitting donald trump's campaign. trump for pecker was good business as he had always been, but that doesn't to your point undermine the fact it's still an election law violation and david pecker knew it at the time. >> let me interject, though. isn't there a big difference between what david pecker used to do for donald trump for 17 years in terms of burying stories and get him happy and contribute daand all that stuff. and then once trump's campaign started in 2015 and 2017, that's when pecker started paying to shut people up for the first time. i mean prosecution said in their opening statement monday that that was only once trump had his presidential campaign going, that was the first time they ever paid anyone -- paid anyone for information about trump. it's a qualitatively different process at that point. >> i agree with that and the payments were abnormal even by enquirer standards. pecker testified a
one, this was not pecker's first rodeo. and two, pecker was always serving pecker. in other words, the primary purpose of this payment had nothing to do with benefitting donald trump's campaign. trump for pecker was good business as he had always been, but that doesn't to your point undermine the fact it's still an election law violation and david pecker knew it at the time. >> let me interject, though. isn't there a big difference between what david pecker used to do for donald trump for...
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pecker was never reimbursed for the money that was spent. $150,000 or so. the fact that veep says he did this for arnold schwarzenegger, for tiger woods, he also did a for mayor romney manuel. the jury has to scratch his head saying what did trump do wrong here? >> yes. there have been no direct tie like moments ago eric reiterated knoche hyatt to these payments or conversations or negotiations around this, but pecker did say when it came to karen mcdougal's story that they never intended to publish it and that it was to help the campaign. in his estimation, that was his side of the story. he says stories about celebrities including trump sold big. they did really well for him. if he wanted to make money for the tabloids and magazines, he would run those stories so it was to his detriment in some way. at least from a financial or business angle to not run her story and he did indicate from the stand he did it to help the campaign but again, no indication president trump was never part of that conversation. >> john: fox news sunday, shannon, obviously this w
pecker was never reimbursed for the money that was spent. $150,000 or so. the fact that veep says he did this for arnold schwarzenegger, for tiger woods, he also did a for mayor romney manuel. the jury has to scratch his head saying what did trump do wrong here? >> yes. there have been no direct tie like moments ago eric reiterated knoche hyatt to these payments or conversations or negotiations around this, but pecker did say when it came to karen mcdougal's story that they never intended...
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and just once that pecker talks about that pecker talks about for a campaign why this issue of women could be important. steinglass asked, can you explain to the jury how the topic of women in particular came up? pecker says, well, in a presidential campaign, i was the person that thought there would be a number, a lot of women come out to try to sell their stories because mr. trump was well-known and the most eligible bachelor and data most beautiful women. and it was clear based on my past experience that when someone is running for public office like this, it is very common for these women to call up a magazine like the national enquirer and try to sell their stories this was before this was before the access hollywood tape. so the actual the importance of the access hollywood tape in this is that it's sort of the the drumbeat got much louder about indiscretions, changed everything. because remember is stormy daniels was shot popping around her story and was essentially offering to sell it and they argue that the price was too high and said no, that they weren't interested after t
and just once that pecker talks about that pecker talks about for a campaign why this issue of women could be important. steinglass asked, can you explain to the jury how the topic of women in particular came up? pecker says, well, in a presidential campaign, i was the person that thought there would be a number, a lot of women come out to try to sell their stories because mr. trump was well-known and the most eligible bachelor and data most beautiful women. and it was clear based on my past...
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i felt like david pecker encapsulates maga world. he keeps drifting and completely dupes his followers, but then they said there and they still pay homage to him. talk about whether or not you think that this trial, even so far, has been moving the needle in any way in terms of public sentiment when it comes to donald trump. >> yeah, it reminds me of a story i was told by a new yorker whose parents worked for donald trump's contractors. he wasn't always good about paying the contractors and i said, did he pay her parents? he said no, and this guy said i had to sue to get their money. i said okay, well, they got $.50 on the dollar back in the guy says you know what? they voted for trump. why if they believe he cheated them on their money? he said because, if you cheat says he will cheat everybody else on behalf of america, cheat the rest of the world on behalf of america. there is an interesting dynamic. it's a view, of him as somebody who is able to manipulate the system to work the system, bypass the system, whatever it is, that see
i felt like david pecker encapsulates maga world. he keeps drifting and completely dupes his followers, but then they said there and they still pay homage to him. talk about whether or not you think that this trial, even so far, has been moving the needle in any way in terms of public sentiment when it comes to donald trump. >> yeah, it reminds me of a story i was told by a new yorker whose parents worked for donald trump's contractors. he wasn't always good about paying the contractors...
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pecker said michael cohen acted as the attorney not part of his campaign pure prosecutors asked pecker if he had any negative feelings about trump now. he replied quote donald trump was my mentor. he helped me throughout my career appeared during a white house meeting in 2017, pecker testified that trump asked him how is karen doing referencing former playboy model karen mcdougall. pecker responded she is doing well, she is quiet, she is good here is trump after court. >> today you saw what was going on, it was breathtaking. this is a trial that should have never happened a case that should have never been filed. >> the das office also omitted for more examples this morning where prosecutors argued trump broke the quartz gag order. there will be a hearing next thursday about that. trump was not able to attend supreme court arguments about presidential immunity today. if the court operates as a normally does, justices will hold a -- hold a closed-door vote tomorrow. they can send it down for more action. the timeline certainly will be watched closely as the november election approaches.
pecker said michael cohen acted as the attorney not part of his campaign pure prosecutors asked pecker if he had any negative feelings about trump now. he replied quote donald trump was my mentor. he helped me throughout my career appeared during a white house meeting in 2017, pecker testified that trump asked him how is karen doing referencing former playboy model karen mcdougall. pecker responded she is doing well, she is quiet, she is good here is trump after court. >> today you saw...
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had no idea what pecker was talking about. during today's morning session, the manhattan's d.a. was office submitted four more examples where prosecutors argued trump broke the judge's gag order. membermerchan will vote whethert to hold him in contempt of court. >> i am glad i was here it was a very interesting day in a certain way. >> there will be a hearing about the gag order on wednesday of next week. in the last hour of court today, the defense began its cross-examination of proximate o testified that he alerted trump of negative stories concerning him dating back to 1998. pecker said he hasn't spoken to trump since the winter of 2019. but still considers him a friend and a mentor. gillian? >> gillian: all right, nate foy outside that courthouse all day in new york for us. thank you. well, confrontations between police and anti-israel protesters are igniting at college campuses across the nation. correspondent steve harrigan is at columbia university in new york city. my alma mater right now. hi, steve. >> steve: gillian,
had no idea what pecker was talking about. during today's morning session, the manhattan's d.a. was office submitted four more examples where prosecutors argued trump broke the judge's gag order. membermerchan will vote whethert to hold him in contempt of court. >> i am glad i was here it was a very interesting day in a certain way. >> there will be a hearing about the gag order on wednesday of next week. in the last hour of court today, the defense began its cross-examination of...